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Re: [STDS-802-11-TGM] Updated REVme PHY ad hoc comment spreadsheet -- MOTION planned TODAY



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Thanks for catching that, Youhan.  I have updated the PHY spreadsheet to r2,

referring to 21/0965r2.

 

Mark

 

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From: Youhan Kim <youhank@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, 15 July 2021 18:08
To: STDS-802-11-TGM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [STDS-802-11-TGM] Updated REVme PHY ad hoc comment spreadsheet -- MOTION planned TODAY

 

--- This message came from the IEEE 802.11 Task Group M Technical Reflector ---

Thanks, Mark.

 

Resolution for CID 19 should refer to 11-21/965r2 (Text update in r1 is “TBD”.)

 

Regards,

Youhan

 

From: Mark Rison <m.rison@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 7:16 AM
To: STDS-802-11-TGM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [STDS-802-11-TGM] Updated REVme PHY ad hoc comment spreadsheet -- MOTION planned TODAY

 

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Hello,

 

https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/21/11-21-0727-01-000m-revme-phy-comments.xls

has been uploaded.  The following resolutions, from the PHY Motion A tab,

are due to be motioned during the session at 16:00 ET (20:00 UTC) today:

 

CID

Commenter

Comment

Proposed Change

Resolution

349

Mark RISON

"RCPI indications of 8 bits are supported." duplicates first sentence

Delete the cited sentence

ACCEPTED (PHY: 2021-06-14 20:21:34Z)

89

Hitoshi Morioka

T_L-SIG is also defined in Table 21-5, where "_" indicates suscript.

Add "T_L-SIG" to the list, where "_" indicates subscript.

REVISED (PHY: 2021-06-14 20:20:52Z)

At D0.0 P3220L18, change “T_{SYM}, T_{SYMS}, T_{VHT-SIG-A}” to “T_{SYM}, T_{SYMS}, T_{L-SIG}, T_{VHT-SIG-A}”.

88

Hitoshi Morioka

T_L-SIG is also defined in Table 19-6, where "_" indicates suscript.

Add "T_L-SIG" to the list, where "_" indicates subscript.

REVISED (PHY: 2021-06-14 20:20:15Z)

At D0.0 P3047L48, change “T_{SYM}, T_{SYMS}, T_{HT-SIG}” to “T_{SYM}, T_{SYMS}, T_{L-SIG}, T_{HT-SIG}”.

87

Hitoshi Morioka

HT_SIG should be HT-SIG.

Replace "HT_SIG" with "HT-SIG".

ACCEPTED (PHY: 2021-06-14 20:19:41Z)

86

Hitoshi Morioka

HT_SIG should be HT-SIG.

Replace "HT_SIG" with "HT-SIG".

ACCEPTED (PHY: 2021-06-14 20:18:39Z)

85

Hitoshi Morioka

L_SIG and HT_SIG should be L-SIG and HT-SIG respectively.

Replace "L_SIG" with "L-SIG". Replace "HT_SIG" with "HT-SIG".

ACCEPTED (PHY: 2021-06-14 20:18:21Z)

84

Hitoshi Morioka

L_SIG and HT_SIG should be L-SIG and HT-SIG respectively.

Replace "L_SIG" with "L-SIG". Replace "HT_SIG" with "HT-SIG".

ACCEPTED (PHY: 2021-06-14 20:17:56Z)

83

Hitoshi Morioka

N_HTDLTF should be N_HT-DLTF, where "_" indicates subscript.

Replace "N_HTDLTF" with "N_HT-DLTF", where "_" indicates subscript.

REVISED (PHY: 2021-06-14 20:17:13Z)

Incorporate the changes in https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/21/11-21-0823-01-000m-cc35-phy-comments.docx for CID 83.

569

Rui Cao

The normalization factor of N_TX in the denominator is not correct for HT portion. Need to update according to VHT and HE equations.

Separate normalization factor differently for preamble portion and data portion as in  Equation (21-13) and definition of N_Norm in P3151L24..

REVISED (PHY: 2021-06-14 20:23:31Z)

Incorporate the changes in https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/21/11-21-0823-01-000m-cc35-phy-comments.docx for CID 569.

568

Rui Cao

non-HT dup data portion needs to be power normalized across N_tx, the same as legacy preamble portion. Otherwise, there is a power bump of sqrt(Ntx) from preamble to data portion.

add N_TX in the denominator of the normalization factor.

REVISED (PHY: 2021-06-14 20:22:42Z)

In Equation (19-61) at D0.0 P3013L33, add N_{TX} to the normalization factor by changing “sqrt( N^{Tone}_{NON-HT Duplicate} )” to “sqrt( N_{TX} N^{Tone}_{NON-HT Duplicate} )”.

567

Rui Cao

non-HT dup data portion needs to be power normalized across N_tx, the same as legacy preamble portion.
Otherwise, there is a power bump of sqrt(Ntx) from preamble to data portion. The same issue needs to be addressed in future clause for HE.

add N_tx in the denominator of the normalization factor.

REVISED (PHY: 2021-06-14 20:21:59Z)

In Equation (21-100) at D0.0 P3192L7, add N_{TX} to the normalization factor by changing “sqrt( N^{Tone}_{NON_HT_DUP_OFDM-Data} )” to “sqrt( N_{TX} N^{Tone}_{NON_HT_DUP_OFDM-Data} )”.

19

Brian Hart

VHT uses "Segment" in assocation with two different concepts: for non-contiguous spectrum (e.g.  Equation (21-11)) and for per-80MHz processing (e.g. the Segment parser used to construct two 80 MHz streams for BCC interleaving etc as part of creating a 160 MHz PPDU), although it is clear that the former usage is the intended usage (clause 3: "frequency segment: A contiguous block of spectrum used by a transmission."; and Nseg=1 for 160MHz in Table 21-5). However, many members see "Segment parser" in the block diagrams and are more familiar with 160 MHz, so then associate "segment" with 80 MHz processing (or less for narrower PPDUs). This caused on-going confusion in 11ax: e.g. as late as D7.0 of 11ax there was a fundamental error on this topic: the number of data tones per frequency segment, Nsd, had two incompatible definitions  (Nsd in table 27-13 that differed for 80+80 vs 160 versus Nsd in section 27.5.7 that had no differentiation between 80+80 vs 160). 11ax's ultimate fix was almost complete: it kept "frequency segment" for non-contiguous PPDUs, and used "frequency subblock" for  80 MHz processing (or less for narrower PPDUs); but the confusing/ misleading term "Segment de/parser" remains. By its name, "segment parser" implies it takes one input stream and parses it into one or more segments. But for 160 MHz, the so-called Segment parser takes one stream and parses into two frequency subblocks in *one* segment.

"Segment parsed/parser/parsing" are terms used locally within the VHT, TVHT and S1G PHYs PHYs today (and HE PHY) so making a name correction is relatively straightforward. However, "Segment de/parser" are embedded terms in the industry, and - despite the need to reduce confusion in 11ax and now 11be - it may be too confusing to entirely replace the name. Meanwhile it is fair to point out that, for 80+80, if not for 160M, the "Segment parser" outputs both segments and frequency subblocks. Then change "Segment [de]parser/parsing/parsed" to "Frequency-subblock/Segment [de]parser/parsed/parsing" throughput the draft. This change has the virtue that a) searching for "Segment pars" is still successful, b) the more correct name appears first, c) the new name is not incorrect in that sometimes the Frequency-subblock/Segment parser does output segments.

REVISED (PHY: 2021-06-14 19:54:41Z) - Incorporate the changes in https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/21/11-21-0965-01-000m-cc35-phy-cids-19-18-14-15-527.docx, for CID 19.

17

Brian Hart

This figure has got broken since the top line has 4 outputs but no input. Also the superscripts are hard to read. Finally it is unclear where the output comes from.

Copy across figure 16-3 since there the top line has an input and it says "X15 first" in two places (yet check for any other differences that aren't corrections, but AFAIK there shouldn't be any).

REVISED (PHY: 2021-06-14 20:15:59Z)

Incorporate the changes in https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/21/11-21-0823-01-000m-cc35-phy-comments.docx for CID 17.

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

 

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Mark RISON, Standards Architect, WLAN   English/Esperanto/Français

Samsung Cambridge Solution Centre       Tel: +44 1223  434600

Innovation Park, Cambridge CB4 0DS      Fax: +44 1223  434601

ROYAUME UNI                             WWW: http://www.samsung.com/uk

 


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