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RE: stds-80220-requirements: Spectral Efficiency (4.1.2)



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Anna,
 
By way of clarification, in the reference you cited, Dr. Gibson is referring to the use of IS-95 CDMA in the 824-894 MHz (US cellular) band (refer to chart on page 385). Dr. Shively and I are concerned with the use of the 1850-1990 MHz (US PCS) band. You may review the nominal use of these channels in the following reference:
 
Vijay K. Garg, IS-95 CDMA and cdma2000 : cellular/PCS systems implementation, Prentice Hall PTR, 2000; Chapter 7, pages 107-108.
 

Walter Rausch
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Sprint Broadband
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-80220-requirements@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-80220-requirements@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Lai-King Tee
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 1:03 PM
To: 'Joseph Cleveland'; 'Shively, David'; stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org
Subject: RE: stds-80220-requirements: Spectral Efficiency (4.1.2)

Hello David,

 

Based on what I found from the reference material*, the guard band is used in the CDMA (IS-95) system when the adjacent frequency channel may have high power signal transmissions. However, there is no need for guard bands between adjacent CDMA channels.

 

The reason that the first CDMA 2000 channel is usually deployed further away from the edge of the licensed band is probably to avoid high interference power from the adjacent frequency channel that has been used for other high power wireless systems.

 

*Reference: "Jerry D. Gibson, The Mobile Communications Handbook, Chapter 27, IEEE press, 1996.

 

Best regards,

Anna.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-80220-requirements@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-80220-requirements@majordomo.ieee.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Cleveland
Sent:
Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:53 AM
To: '
Shively, David'; 'stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org'
Subject: RE: stds-80220-requirements: Spectral Efficiency (4.1.2)

 

David,

 

I disagree with your analysis.  For example, PCS D/E/F-Block (5 MHz) operators currently use carriers separated by 1.25 MHz with all channels assigned.  If an operator has a 15 MHz block (e.g., A/B/C-Block), the operator can use the entire spectrum with carriers placed 1.25 MHz apart across the entire block - for a total of 12 carriers, not 9. It is realistic to deploy a system with a chip rate of 1.2288 Mcps in a 1.25 MHz bandwidth! 

 

 Joseph Cleveland

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-80220-requirements@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-80220-requirements@majordomo.ieee.org] On Behalf Of
Shively, David
Sent:
Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:00 AM
To: 'stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org'
Subject: RE: stds-80220-requirements: Spectral Efficiency (4.1.2)

Joseph,

 

I'm afraid I have to disagree and this is actually an example of the point I have tried

to clarify.

 

In some cases, yes, cdma2000 carriers can be placed directly adjacent to one another,

although there is some degradation in overall capacity when this is done.  However, in

most deployments the first cdma2000 channel that is used is 1.25 MHz away from the

edge of the licensed band.  This means that there is a guard band of approx. 625 kHz

between the first cdma2000 carrier and the edge of a licensees spectrum allocation.

This is why an operator can use 3 cdma2000 carriers in a 5 MHz block of licensed spectrum

rather than 4. 

 

If an operator had a license for only a 1.25 MHz block of spectrum, then I do not think it would

realistic to deploy a system with a chip rate of 1.2288 Mcps.

 

David Shively

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Cleveland [mailto:JClevela@sta.samsung.com]
Sent:
Tuesday, November 25, 2003 9:51 AM
To: '
Shively, David'; 'stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org'
Subject: RE: stds-80220-requirements: Spectral Efficiency (4.1.2)

David,

 

I believe that if you look at the spectrum allocation scheme and spectrum emission mask for CDMA2000 you will find that 1.25 MHz does include the guard bands.  The CDMA2000 channel spacing is 1.25 MHz.

 

Joseph Cleveland

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-80220-requirements@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-80220-requirements@majordomo.ieee.org] On Behalf Of
Shively, David
Sent:
Monday, November 17, 2003 3:06 PM
To: stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org
Subject: RE: stds-80220-requirements: Spectral Efficiency (4.1.2)

 

Regarding these definitions, it should be clearly understood whether
or not guard bands are accounted for in the calculation of spectral
efficiency.  For UMTS (W-CDMA), the channel is usually quoted as being
5 MHz wide.  In this case the guard bands have been included.  However,
for cdma2000 1X (and IS-95) the channel is usually quoted as being
1.25 MHz wide which does not include the necessary guard bands.

I propose the following:

Network Wide Bandwidth:  The network wide bandwidth is the total spectrum in
use by the unique carriers deployed in the network, including any
required guard bands.

 

Best regards,
David Shively
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-----Original Message-----
From: Humbert, John J [NTWK SVCS] [mailto:JHumbe01@sprintspectrum.com]
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:08 PM
To: stds-80220-requirements@ieee.org
Cc: mike@arraycomm.com
Subject: stds-80220-requirements: Spectral Efficiency (4.1.2)

 

Below is the latest version of the text that was developed at the Plenary in Albuquerque along with a list of the open issues for this section.

*       4.1.2   System Spectral Efficiency (b/s/Hz/sector)
*       The system spectral efficiency of the 802.20 air interface shall be quoted for the case of a three sector baseline configuration [Footnote 1]. It shall be computed in a loaded multi-cellular network setting, which shall be simulated based on the methodology established by the 802.20 evaluation criteria group. It shall consider among other factors a minimum expected data rate/user and/or other fairness criteria, and percentage of throughput due to duplicated information flow. The values shall be quoted on a b/s/Hz/sector basis. The system spectral efficiency of the 802.20 air interface shall be greater than X b/s/Hz/sector.

*       Footnote 1: Since the base configuration is only required for the purpose of comparing system spectral efficiency, proposals may submit deployment models over and beyond the base configuration.

 

*       Definition:
*       System spectral efficiency - System spectral efficiency is defined as the ratio of the aggregate throughput (bits/sec) to all users in the system divided by the network wide bandwidth (Hz) and divided by the number of sectors in the system.

*       Aggregate Throughput: Aggregate throughput is defined as the total throughput to all users in the system (user payload only).

*       Network Wide Bandwidth:The network wide bandwidth is the total spectrum in use by the unique carriers deployed in the network.

 

*       Open items
-       Single value vs. multiple for uplink and downlink
-       X bits/sec/Hz [note 1 b/s/Hz -or- downlink > 2 b/s/Hz/(cell or sector?) @ 3km/hr ;uplink > 1 b/s/Hz/(cell or sector?) @ 3 km/hr].

-       Actual values of spectral efficiency at higher speeds
-       TDD/FDD

 

John J. Humbert
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