Re: [802.21] MRPM PAR: WG LB-3

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Hi Peretz,
Thank you for raising this issue. Let me complete Vivek's answer.
You were not in Hawaii so you have not seen what happened there. You were not in Denver nor in Jacksonville but that's none of my business.
In Hawaii interim, probably for the first time in 802.21's history, the closing plenary was held in pm2 session on Wednesday. We started Wednesday pm2 session as MRPM SG session. About 15 minutes later Vivek took over and ran the closing plenary. He is known to have gone to the airport Wednesday night. I have witnesses on this.
However, during the closing plenary, as Vivek mentioned below, the motion on MRPM PAR was accepted.
MRPM SG met on Thursday to continue to discuss the PAR/5C. While other WGs were having their regular meetings, we could not because 802.21 closing plenary was already held. The meeting we held was then called an adhoc meeting in IEEE.
After we completed the PAR, I put up the motion. It was dicussed and decided that no motion was needed because 802.21 motion for letter ballot was already accepted. So we unanymously accepted the straw poll and the meeting was closed. With this MRPM SG was able to submit its PAR/5C which is now being voted.

I hope this clarifies things.
Kind regards,

Behcet

----- Original Message ----
From: "Gupta, Vivek G" <vivek.g.gupta@INTEL.COM>
To: STDS-802-21@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Sent: Monday, October 6, 2008 5:47:38 AM
Subject: Re: [802.21] MRPM PAR: WG LB-3

From: Feder, Peretz (Peretz) [mailto:pfeder@alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 9:27 PM
To: Gupta, Vivek G
Cc: STDS-802-21@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [802.21] MRPM PAR: WG LB-3

Well Vivek, the notes clearly indicate that the SG was in an adhoc meeting and that the decision to forward the PAR by the SG was

a straw poll in the adhoc SG meeting.

[VG] I am not sure which notes are these. But as I pointed before this motion was approved in WG meeting.

So I donʼt think the MRPM PAR was approved before the WG approved to conduct an LB.

[VG] There was a motion brought forward to approve the PAR in WG by a LB and that passed and hence this ballot is on.

Peretz Feder

From: Gupta, Vivek G [mailto:vivek.g.gupta@intel.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:06 PM
To: Feder, Peretz (Peretz)
Cc: STDS-802-21@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [802.21] MRPM PAR: WG LB-3

Peretz,

The decision to conduct a LB on this PAR was taken during the regular WG meeting.

A motion was passed to that effect.

Further discussion on the PAR happened in an ad hoc group.

Best Regards

-Vivek

From: Feder, Peretz (Peretz) [mailto:pfeder@alcatel-lucent.com]
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 3:40 PM
To: Gupta, Vivek G
Cc: STDS-802-21@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: FW: [802.21] MRPM PAR: WG LB-3

Vivek:

How can our working group consider PAR approval LB motion for a decision taken in an ad-hoc study group meeting that based the call for approval on a straw poll?

Am I the only one failing to see the logic and the process taken here?

Peretz Feder

From: Gupta, Vivek G [mailto:vivek.g.gupta@INTEL.COM]
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 6:56 PM
To: STDS-802-21@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802.21] MRPM PAR: WG LB-3

Multi-Radio Power Management related presentations/discussions have been going on in 802.21 for almost two years.

The MRPM SG was created in July-2007.

Motions to approve the PAR produced by this group failed on two occasions in Jan-2008 and in March-2008.

Thereafter this group has gone ahead and done further work. The latest PAR from this group is now available at:

http://mentor.ieee.org/802.21/file/08/21-08-0250-06-mrpm-par-for-mrpm.doc

Below are instructions for WG LB-3 which asks the question to approve this PAR and forward it to 802EC for consideration at the Nov-08 meeting:

http://mentor.ieee.org/802.21/file/08/21-08-0281-00-0000-lb-3-instructions.doc

Ballot opening Date: Sep 20, 2008

Ballot closing date: Oct 04, 2008, AOE (Anywhere on Earth)

Best Regards

-Vivek