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RE: Equalization and benefits of Parallel Optics.




Paul,

If I thought that a 75% agreement could be achieved on making such a change 
in the objectives, I would whole-heartedly support it.  Is there anything I 
can do to help?

Thank you,
Roy Bynum


At 06:26 PM 8/4/00 -0400, Kolesar, Paul F (Paul) wrote:

>Roy and Bruce,
>
>If there were any such preliminary claims made for 850 serial regarding its
>capability to 100 m on the installed base, (and I do not recall any) it
>would have had to have been with the understanding that the "installed base"
>contained 500 MHz-km 50 um fibers. Using 500 MHz-km bandwidth in the link
>model results in distances approaching, but short of, 100 m.
>
>I do not believe that the 100 m objective was chosen because of any such
>claims. As I have stated before, I believe the 100 m objective was chosen
>because we though that some reasonable solution would be able to achieve
>this objective, not necessarily 850 nm Serial.
>
>Now upon further examination of  the rationale behind that objective, we
>find it is rather empty. It neither protects a significant customer
>investment, nor necessarily addresses a particular distance need tied to an
>application space where 10GbE is expected to be deployed.
>
>As such it is probably better to replace it with a more meaningful
>objective, one that addresses the needs of the equipment room. To develop a
>better objective for the equipment room, we will need data on distance
>distributions. Today we heard from Chris Diminico that equipment room
>distance distribution data is available. I suggest examining it and setting
>up the appropriate objective around this data.
>
>Paul
>
>
>         ----------
>         From:  Bruce Tolley [SMTP:btolley@xxxxxxxxx]
>         Sent:  Friday, August 04, 2000 3:56 PM
>         To:  Roy Bynum; Paul Bottorff; Booth, Bradley;
>stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxx
>         Subject:  RE: Equalization and benefits of Parallel Optics.
>
>
>         Roy:
>
>         I agree in part. My recollection is that according to statements
>made in
>         the ad hocs and during the York meeting one year ago, the 850 nm
>proponents
>         thought they could obtain distances100 meters over installed, low
>bandwidth
>         MM fiber. I do not recall any promises being made and I do not think
>any
>         were implied since at that time almost all the work was very
>preliminary.
>
>         Bruce
>
>         At 08:37 AM 8/2/00 -0500, Roy Bynum wrote:
>
>         >Paul,
>         >
>         >As part of the distance Ad Hoc, I was under the impression that the
>300m
>         >objective was for new technology MMF in the building risers.  The
>Ad Hoc
>         >was told that 100m over "installed" MMF was feasable at a symbol
>rate of
>         >over 10Gb, equivalent to the proposed 850nm serial PMD.  Were we
>         >mislead?  I don't know.  As a customer participating in this
>process and
>         >going back to looking at the most likely areas of initial
>implementation
>         >and the implementation practices, I am the more serious about
>holding the
>         >people that said that they could do the serial 850nm PMD to their
>implied
>         >promise.
>         >
>         >Thank you,
>         >Roy Bynum
>         >
>         >
>         >At 01:33 PM 7/27/00 -0700, Paul Bottorff wrote:
>         >
>         >>Brad:
>         >>
>         >>I also understand our objectives in the same way. We don't have an
>
>         >>objective for 100 m computer room connections. It seems to me the
>300 m
>         >>objective was written for computer rooms. The 300 m over MMF could
>be
>         >>applied to any fiber solution.
>         >>
>         >>Cheers,
>         >>
>         >>Paul
>         >>
>         >>At 12:55 PM 7/27/2000 -0700, Booth, Bradley wrote:
>         >>
>         >>>Ali,
>         >>>
>         >>> From my understanding of the objectives, the task force doesn't
>have a
>         >>>distance objective of "100m data center applications."  We do
>have an
>         >>>objective for 100m over installed MMF fiber.  That 100m distance
>objective
>         >>>was chosen because it reflects what is used in the data center
>applications.
>         >>>If the task force satisfies the objective (which is a requirement
>for the
>         >>>task force to do), then we provide a solution for the
>application.  The
>         >>>reverse is not true.  If task force satisfies the application,
>then we don't
>         >>>meet our objectives.
>         >>>
>         >>>Given that the task force has to satisfy objectives first and
>foremost, I
>         >>>believe that it is key that the task force focus on those
>proposals that in
>         >>>some manner satisfy an objective.  As I see it, parallel optics
>and parallel
>         >>>fiber do not satisfy any of our objectives; therefore, the task
>force needs
>         >>>to work on the ones that will satisfy our objectives.
>         >>>
>         >>>Cheers,
>         >>>Brad
>         >>>
>         >>>                 -----Original Message-----
>         >>>                 From:   ghiasi [mailto:Ali.Ghiasi@xxxxxxxxxxx]
>         >>>                 Sent:   Thursday, July 27, 2000 2:17 PM
>         >>>                 To:     stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxx;
>bradley.booth@xxxxxxxxx
>         >>>                 Cc:     Ali.Ghiasi@xxxxxxxxxxx
>         >>>                 Subject:        RE: Equalization and benefits of
>Parallel
>         >>>Optics.
>         >>>
>         >>>                 Brad
>         >>>
>         >>>                 > From: "Booth, Bradley"
><bradley.booth@xxxxxxxxx>
>         >>>                 > To: stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxx
>         >>>                 > Subject: RE: Equalization and benefits of
>Parallel
>         >>> Optics.
>         >>>                 > Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:29:56 -0700
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>         >>>                 >
>         >>>                 > I have one question:
>         >>>                 >
>         >>>                 > Which of our distance objectives is satisfied
>with
>         >>>parallel fiber and
>         >>>                 > parallel optics?
>         >>>
>         >>>                 The 100 m data center applications.
>         >>>                 >
>         >>>                 > It has been my interpretation that when we
>talked about
>         >>>100m of installed
>         >>>                 > base of MMF, that we were referring to the MMF
>fiber
>         >>>currently available for
>         >>>                 > use by 802.3z.  Parallel optics does not
>operate over
>         >>> this
>         >>>installed base.
>         >>>
>         >>>                 You are correct parallel optics would not
>operate over an
>         >>>installed two fiber
>         >>>                 plant.  Parallel optics would loose if you go in
>to an
>         >>>installed fiber base.
>         >>>                 What I suggested was 100m data center
>applications, where
>         >>>the fiber are not
>         >>>                 installed in the building wiring.
>         >>>
>         >>>                 Data center application are very significant as
>stated in
>         >>>the last meeting
>         >>>                 about half the total market.  Solutions
>significantly lower
>         >>>cost targeted
>         >>>                 for sub 100 m is needed, otherwise there will
>several
>         >>>proprietary solutions.
>         >>>                 Parallel optics is the lowest cost, almost
>mature after 3
>         >>>years, lowest power,
>         >>>                 and smallest foot print.  Parallel optics is
>ideal to get
>         >>>bandwidth off the
>         >>>                 edge of your board.
>         >>>
>         >>>                 Serial 850 or CWDM 850 can be another candidate
>for low
>         >>> cost
>         >>>data center
>         >>>                 applications by having cable advantage over
>parallell
>         >>> fiber.
>         >>>But you need
>         >>>                 to offset fiber advantage against power, size,
>cost,
>         >>>testing, and maturity.
>         >>>
>         >>>                 >
>         >>>                 > Or am I missing the point here?
>         >>>                 >
>         >>>                 > Cheers,
>         >>>                 > Brad
>         >>>
>         >>>                 Thanks,
>         >>>
>         >>>                 Ali Ghiasi
>         >>>                 Sun Microsystems
>         >>>
>         >>>                 >
>         >>
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