Re: [802.3ae] Bad idea...not including FP laser in PMD
Bob, Rich, Michael and David,
Thank you for your comments and opinions. Having a set of PMD covering =
various distances is one thing (I agree we have it), but having a =
"optimal cost" for applications is another thing. I do not believe our =
current set of PMDs provide a "Optimal Cost" choices for <2km SMF for =
customers to choose, namely FP laser is not included.=20
Norman Kwong
Archcom Technology
626-969-0681 x121
----- Original Message -----=20
From: David Kabal=20
To: 'Taborek, Rich' ; 'Norman Kwong' ; 'Grow, Bob' ; =
stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxx=20
Cc: Stan Swirhun ; Jack Jewell=20
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 4:26 PM
Subject: RE: [802.3ae] Bad idea...not including FP laser in PMD
Norman:
To echo Rich and Bob's sentiment, it is clear that our current crop of =
PMDs addresses all significant market spaces and our agreed objectives, =
and we have even seen these spaces blurred by performance above and =
beyond the specification for each PMD:
a.. Production 850 nm serial PMDs have been shown operating at 1 km =
over multimode fiber (standard requires 65 m operation; see OFC =
announcements for this result)=20
b.. Production 1310 nm serial PMDs have been shown operating at 40 =
km over single mode fiber (see technical feasibility presentations for =
this result)=20
c.. CWDM 1310 nm PMDs have operated as advertised, on 300 m of =
installed multimode fiber (see technical feasibility presentations for =
this result)=20
d.. Production 1550 nm serial PMDs are commonly deployed for =
distances of 100 km (and more) over single mode fiber (see numerous =
product specs for this result)=20
The PMD set we picked was complete, and the PMDs are overlapping more =
than we could probably have guessed in their performance. The use of an =
FP laser does not address a new application space that we forgot about, =
it represents a technology specific solution that is already covered.
Cheers,
Dave
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David Kabal
Sr. Technology Planner
Picolight
e-mail: david.kabal@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Main: 303-530-3189 x7498
Direct: 303-527-7498
Fax: 303-527-4961
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx =
[mailto:owner-stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Taborek, =
Rich
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 6:47 PM
To: Norman Kwong; Grow, Bob; stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [802.3ae] Bad idea...not including FP laser in PMD
Norman,
I agree with Bob's response from a process perspective and would like =
to take this opportunity to address the market issues which you raise.=20
The IEEE P802.3ae draft standard currently provides multiple solutions =
for short reach links. Depending on your definition of "short", either =
850 nm VCSEL, 1310 nm VCSEL, 1310 nm DFB or 1310 nm CWDM solutions =
adequately cover all customer distance and fiber type requirements with =
significant overlap. I'm unaware of any significant change since this =
decision, but I have seen a huge discounting of highly integrated 10G =
optical module solutions relative to the timeframe of the decision. =
Looking into the future, vendors are already addressing short reach =
links with more compact optical module solutions which will adequately =
and economically meet customer requirements. I beg to differ with you on =
your statement that: "Customers don't care how many PMDs". This is not =
what I've heard from any system supplier at IEEE 802.3ae Task Force =
meetings.
Lastly, I don't perceive that anything is "broken" with the current =
specification (of PMDs). This is usually the impetus for change. In my =
view, the PMDs specified in IEEE P802.3ae adequately and economically =
allow customers to deploy 10GbE equipment.
If you believe that you have enough support for a Call for Interest =
for a 10GbE 1310 nm FP PMD, the call must be initiated through IEEE =
802.3, not 802.3ae.
Best Regards,
Rich
=20
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Richard Taborek Sr. Intel Corporation
XAUI Sherpa Intel Communications Group
3101 Jay Street, Suite 110 Optical Strategic Marketing
Santa Clara, CA 95054 Santa Clara Design Center
408-496-3423 JAY1-101
Cell: 408-832-3957 mailto:rich.taborek@xxxxxxxxx
Fax: 408-486-9783 http://www.intel.com=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Norman Kwong [mailto:nkwong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 11:27 AM
To: Grow, Bob; stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [802.3ae] Bad idea...not including FP laser in PMD
Bob,
Thanks for your quick response. If it is a right thing to do, it =
never be too late. Imagine if majority of the short reach link deployed =
in next few years are using FP lasers and it is not covered by the =
standard, it will go down to the history book that the committee did not =
do a good job of serving the industry. Since the committee discussed =
and make the decision a long time ago, many things have been changed. =
Many technologies promised to deliver low cost products have not done it =
yet for variety of reasons. FP lasers has been available and always be =
available to serve the industry. There are concern of too many PMDs in =
the standard, the keys is how many PMD are low cost and can deliver in =
volume. Customers don't care how many PMDs, all they care is how they =
can get parts that can do the job, cheap and reliable. I'd urge the =
committee should initiate a call for interest for this topic. Thanks
Norman Kwong
CTO
Archcom Technology
Office: 626-969-0681 x121
1335 W. Foothill Blvd.
Azusa, CA 91702
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Grow, Bob=20
To: 'Norman Kwong' ; stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxx=20
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 4:58 PM
Subject: RE: [802.3ae] Bad idea...not including FP laser in PMD
Norman:
It is too late to add major functionality you describe to the =
802.3ae project. As you point out, the committee discussed the topic =
and made its decision a long time ago. The P802.3ae draft has completed =
Working Group and is in the final stages of Sponsor ballot. The =
addition you propose is outside the scope of the current Sponsor =
recirculation ballot and therefore should not be considered by the =
P802.3ae Task Force.
Bob Grow=20
Chair, IEEE 802.3 Working Group
Intel, EC2-101=20
13290 Evening Creek Drive=20
San Diego, CA 92128=20
phone: 858-391-4622=20
mobile: 858-705-1829=20
fax: 858-391-4580=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Norman Kwong [mailto:nkwong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 2:23 PM
To: stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxx
Cc: Norman Kwong
Subject: [802.3ae] Bad idea...not including FP laser in PMD
Dear 802.3ae members
I understand that this is an old topic, but I still =
strongly believe that it is a bad idea not to include 1310 nm =
Fabry-Perot (FP) lasers in the PMD. Let me re-cap some of the =
advantages of FP lasers:
1. Low cost comparing to DFB lasers: high yield =
single-growth wafer process, less sensitive to back reflection that =
eliminates the need for isolator in package. (1.3 VCSEL yield/cost is =
not clear now, therefore it is hard to compare.)=20
2. Edge emitting lasers (FP and DFB) are more mature =
technology and have been deployed in market for many years. Both lasers =
are available today through multiple vendors.=20
3. FP laser can handle at least 0 to 2km (some test even =
indicate 7km is possible). And majority of the 10G Ethernet applications =
fall into this range.=20
4. Some companies are shipping transceiver/transponder =
products using 1310 FP lasers today, but unfortunately they are being =
treated as non-802.3ae standard products.
The current 1310 PMD specification has a 30 dB SMSR spec that =
prohibits the use of FP lasers. I believe that it is to the best =
interest of our industry to standardize a PMD based on 1310 nm FP =
lasers. If there is a way to start a new project or modify the current =
specifications to include FP lasers, I'll love to lead an effort on it.
Norman Kwong
CTO
Archcom Technology
Office: 626-969-0681 x121
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bob, Rich, Michael and =
David,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thank you for your comments and=20
opinions. Having a set of PMD covering various distances is one =
thing (I=20
agree we have it), but having a "optimal cost" for applications is =
another=20
thing. I do not believe our current set of PMDs provide a =
"Optimal=20
Cost" choices for <2km SMF for customers to choose, namely FP laser =
is not=20
included. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Norman Kwong</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Archcom Technology</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>626-969-0681 x121</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV=20
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Ddavid@xxxxxxxx href=3D"mailto:david@xxxxxxxx";>David =
Kabal</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drich.taborek@xxxxxxxxx=20
href=3D"mailto:rich.taborek@xxxxxxxxx";>'Taborek, Rich'</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dnkwong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx =
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Kwong'</A> ; <A title=3Dbob.grow@xxxxxxxxx=20
href=3D"mailto:bob.grow@xxxxxxxxx";>'Grow, Bob'</A> ; <A=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
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title=3DJack.Jewell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx =
href=3D"mailto:Jack.Jewell@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Jack=20
Jewell</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 01, 2002 =
4:26=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [802.3ae] Bad =
idea...not=20
including FP laser in PMD</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Norman</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To echo =
Rich and=20
Bob=92s sentiment, it is clear that our current crop of PMDs addresses =
all=20
significant market spaces and our agreed objectives, and we have even =
seen=20
these spaces blurred by performance above and beyond the specification =
for=20
each PMD:</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<UL type=3Ddisc>
<LI class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"COLOR: navy"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Production 850 nm=20
serial PMDs have been shown operating at 1 km over multimode fiber =
(standard=20
requires 65 m operation; see OFC announcements for this=20
result)</SPAN></FONT>=20
<LI class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"COLOR: navy"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Production 1310 nm=20
serial PMDs have been shown operating at 40 km over single mode =
fiber (see=20
technical feasibility presentations for this result)</SPAN></FONT>=20
<LI class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"COLOR: navy"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">CWDM =
1310 nm PMDs=20
have operated as advertised, on 300 m of installed multimode fiber =
(see=20
technical feasibility presentations for this result)</SPAN></FONT>=20
<LI class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"COLOR: navy"><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3Dnavy=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Production 1550 nm=20
serial PMDs are commonly deployed for distances of 100 km (and more) =
over=20
single mode fiber (see numerous product specs for this =
result)</SPAN></FONT>=20
</LI></UL>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The PMD set =
we picked=20
was complete, and the PMDs are overlapping more than we could probably =
have=20
guessed in their performance. The use of an FP laser does not address =
a new=20
application space that we forgot about, it represents a technology =
specific=20
solution that is already covered.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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[mailto:owner-stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] <B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Taborek, =
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2002</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
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style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Norman Kwong; Grow, Bob;=20
stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxx<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [802.3ae] Bad =
idea...not=20
including FP laser in PMD</SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Norman</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
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<DIV>
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color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">I agree=20
with Bob's response from a process perspective and would like to take =
this=20
opportunity to address the market issues which you raise.=20
</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">The IEEE=20
P802.3ae draft standard currently provides multiple solutions for =
short reach=20
links. Depending on your definition of "short", either 850 nm VCSEL, =
1310 nm=20
VCSEL, 1310 nm DFB or 1310 nm CWDM solutions adequately cover all =
customer=20
distance and fiber type requirements with significant overlap. I'm =
unaware of=20
any significant change since this decision, but I have seen a huge =
discounting=20
of highly integrated 10G optical module solutions relative to the =
timeframe of=20
the decision. Looking into the future, vendors are already addressing =
short=20
reach links with more compact optical module solutions which will =
adequately=20
and economically meet customer requirements. I beg to differ with you =
on your=20
statement that: "Customers don't care how many PMDs". This is not what =
I've=20
heard from any system supplier at IEEE 802.3ae Task Force=20
meetings.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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<DIV>
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color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Lastly,=20
I don't perceive that anything is "broken" with the current =
specification (of=20
PMDs). This is usually the impetus for change. In my view, the PMDs =
specified=20
in IEEE P802.3ae adequately and economically allow customers to deploy =
10GbE=20
equipment.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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<DIV>
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color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">If you=20
believe that you have enough support for a Call for Interest for a =
10GbE 1310=20
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Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">From:</SPAN></B> Norman=20
Kwong [mailto:nkwong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
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size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">Friday, March 29,=20
2002</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
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AM</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Grow, Bob;=20
stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxx<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [802.3ae] Bad =
idea...not=20
including FP laser in PMD</SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Bob,</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thanks for your quick=20
response. If it is a right thing to do, it never be too =
late. =20
Imagine if majority of the short reach link deployed in next =
few years=20
are using FP lasers and it is not covered by the standard, it will =
go down=20
to the history book that the committee did not do a good job of =
serving the=20
industry. Since the committee discussed and make the decision =
a long=20
time ago, many things have been changed. Many technologies promised =
to=20
deliver low cost products have not done it yet for variety of =
reasons. =20
FP lasers has been available and always be available to =
serve the=20
industry. There are concern of too many PMDs in the standard, =
the keys=20
is how many PMD are low cost and can deliver in volume. =
Customers=20
don't care how many PMDs, all they care is how they can get parts =
that can=20
do the job, cheap and reliable. I'd urge the=20
committee should initiate a call for interest for this =
topic. =20
Thanks</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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Arial">=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Thursday, March 28,=20
2002</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
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PM</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face=3DArial=20
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style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> RE:=20
[802.3ae] Bad idea...not including FP laser in =
PMD</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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face=3DArial color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Norman</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3Dblue size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">:</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV>
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face=3DArial color=3Dblue=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">It is too=20
late to add major functionality you describe to the 802.3ae =
project. =20
As you point out, the committee discussed the topic and made its =
decision=20
a long time ago. The P802.3ae draft has completed Working =
Group and=20
is in the final stages of Sponsor ballot. The addition you =
propose=20
is outside the scope of the current Sponsor recirculation ballot =
and=20
therefore should not be considered by the P802.3ae Task=20
Force.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Bob=20
Grow <BR>Chair, IEEE 802.3 Working =
Group</SPAN></FONT></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original=20
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bold">From:</SPAN></B>=20
Norman Kwong [mailto:nkwong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">Thursday, March =
28,=20
2002</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> =
</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">2:23 =
PM</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
stds-802-3-hssg@xxxxxxxx<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Norman =
Kwong<BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [802.3ae] Bad =
idea...not=20
including FP laser in PMD</SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Dear 802.3ae=20
members</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> I =
understand that=20
this is an old topic, but I still strongly believe that it is a =
bad idea=20
not to include 1310 nm Fabry-Perot (FP) lasers in the PMD. =
Let me=20
re-cap some of the advantages of FP lasers:</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: =
-0.25in"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1.<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Low cost comparing to DFB lasers: =
high yield=20
single-growth wafer process, less sensitive to back reflection =
that=20
eliminates the need for isolator in package. (1.3 VCSEL =
yield/cost=20
is not clear now, therefore it is hard to =
compare.)</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">=20
</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: =
-0.25in"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">2.<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Edge emitting lasers (FP and DFB) =
are more=20
mature technology and have been deployed in market for many =
years. =20
Both lasers are available today through multiple=20
vendors.</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> =
</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: =
-0.25in"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">3.<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">FP laser can handle at least 0 to =
2km (some=20
test even indicate 7km is possible). And majority of the 10G =
Ethernet=20
applications fall into this range.</SPAN></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">=20
</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; TEXT-INDENT: =
-0.25in"><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">4.<FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D1><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT: 7pt 'Times New =
Roman'"> =20
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Some companies are shipping=20
transceiver/transponder products using 1310 FP lasers today, but =
unfortunately they are being treated as non-802.3ae standard=20
products.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">The current=20
1310 PMD specification has a 30 dB SMSR spec that prohibits the =
use of=20
FP lasers. I believe that it is to the best interest of =
our=20
industry to standardize a PMD based on 1310 nm FP lasers. =
If there=20
is a way to start a new project or modify the current =
specifications to=20
include FP lasers, I'll love to lead an effort on =
it.</SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Norman=20
Kwong</SPAN></FONT></P>
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