Re: [802.3_EPOC] Materials from 1/2/13 MMP Ad-hoc and plan for 1/4/13 MMP Ad-hoc
Jorge:
Sorry for missing the last meetings, I was at Pacific Time zone. Now I am back to East time zone, I'll try to join tomorrow's meeting.
The fundamental question of MMP is its technical and economic feasibility under the EPON MAC framework; I didn't think use cases will help at this point. We have presented detailed analysis of both technical and economic challenges of MMP at the San Antonio meeting; I believe everything we have presented still hold. Although I do not believe re-present the old material will help moving forward, I am willing re-present the main points (of San Antonio presentation) tomorrow if necessary; it seems this was what other people did anyway.
A few summary points:
From service providing point of view:
* End-users do not get notable benefit from MMP
* Service providers do not have direct control of MMP
* There is no direct relationship between MMP and SLA
From technical feasibility point of view:
MMP introduce significant complexity at PHY, MAC and system levels, especially for EPON to coax rate adaption.
From outside plant point of view:
A network reference model is needed that including outside plant and in-home-networks that provide base outside plant conditions reference for the future EPoC.
Thanks,
Eugene
From: Duane Remein [mailto:Duane.Remein@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 2:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [802.3_EPOC] Materials from 1/2/13 MMP Ad-hoc and plan for 1/4/13 MMP Ad-hoc
Ed,
Perhaps, given that you're having difficulty getting to the ad hoc calls, you could enumerate your issues here on the exploder. That would at least open the dialog and we could debate the issues you see. Personally I don't see anything that cannot be addressed.
Best Regards,
Duane
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From: Ed (Edward) Boyd [mailto:ed.boyd@xxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 2:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [802.3_EPOC] Materials from 1/2/13 MMP Ad-hoc and plan for 1/4/13 MMP Ad-hoc
Hi Jorge,
I hope that you had a great holiday. Sorry but I'm a little behind on things due to the time off.
I agree with Marek. I presented issues with the MMP at the last meeting. I looked over the Qualcomm presentation from the Ad Hoc and I didn't see any difference from the last IEEE meeting. The issues that I raised at the meeting still exist. If you like, I can repeat those issues to the Ad Hoc.
As we discussed before, I'm not able to attend the Ad Hoc based on the time selected. I can try to call in from 6am to 7am on tomorrow's call.
Take care,
Ed...
From: Marek Hajduczenia [mailto:marek.hajduczenia@xxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 4:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [802.3_EPOC] Materials from 1/2/13 MMP Ad-hoc and plan for 1/4/13 MMP Ad-hoc
Jorge,
I was under the impression that presentations on the topic of technical challenges associated with MMP implementation have been already presented and discussed in detail at the meetings. I am not sure how presenting the same material in a new form helps move us forward in any way.
Perhaps a list of questions on specific aspects of already presented technical challenges would be a better way to move forward? That would give time to prepare concise and comprehensive answers to the benefit of this ad-hoc. I fear that we if we start discussion on the phone, we'll get lost in details again.
Regards
Marek
From: Salinger, Jorge [mailto:Jorge_Salinger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]<mailto:[mailto:Jorge_Salinger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 05:46
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Subject: [802.3_EPOC] Materials from 1/2/13 MMP Ad-hoc and plan for 1/4/13 MMP Ad-hoc
Folks,
Thanks to those that were able to attend the meeting yesterday. We did not have any presentations on why MMP could not be implemented, so we took the opportunity to review the diagram outlining the use case we reviewed before the holidays (see below for reference). We had lots of discussion about this use case, but did not arrive to any specific conclusions. I attached a transcript of the discussion that Joe Solomon kindly recorded.
Given the discussion, and to help the continuation of this discussion, I expanded the use case into 4 slides, each progressively more complex. We will review these slides during our meeting tomorrow.
HOWEVER, our focus is on determining why and/or how is MMP not possible to implement. To that end, we are seeking presentations that would outline that specific topic. So, if there are any presentations that address why and/or how MMP can not be implemented we will give those presentations the priority.
Thanks!
Jorge
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