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Re: [HSSG] Topics for Consideration

This pre-supposes that there will be PMD technology solutions at these
distance "break points" which account for substantially different

If a single PMD works for up to 5km with reasonable economics, there may
not be a need for 3 of the PMDs.  We need presuppose how many until we
start to understand the technologies in contention, the distances they
support, and their relative economics.

Then we just need a 2nd PMD to cover 5-40km.

This seems quite reasonable and likely.

-----Original Message-----
From: Menachem Abraham [mailto:mabraham@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 5:00 PM
To: STDS-802-3-HSSG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [HSSG] Topics for Consideration


Based on your input it looks like we need to develop VSR, SR, LR, VLR
all at once so that we can address all of the "first wave" application
spaces shown in the CFI presentation.

If we had to prioritize our work in 802.3 what would be your view on the
relative importance of these?

Sent from my Blackberry 

-----Original Message-----
From: "OJHA,JUGNU" <jugnu.ojha@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:         Tue, 8 Aug 2006 13:46:45 
Subject: Re: [HSSG] Topics for Consideration


Should campus backbone include LR and VLR?  I could see it needing a few
kms, but beyond this, doesn't it really become a "Corporate Backbone"?  


-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Hankins [mailto:ghankins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 1:38 PM
To: STDS-802-3-HSSG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [HSSG] Topics for Consideration

Based on my experience with IX and ISP customers I see these reach
in each application.

(1) Internet Exchange = VSR/SR, ISP Backbone = VSR/SR/LR/VLR , Content
Providers = VSR/SR/LR

(2) ISP Aggregation = VSR/SR/LR, Supercomputing / R&D = VSR/SR,
Broadband Aggregation = VSR/SR/LR

(3) Campus Backbone = SR/LR/VLR, Corporate Backbone = SR/LR/VLR,
Corporate Data Center = VSR/SR


Greg Hankins <ghankins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Technical Marketing Engineer
Force10 Networks
+1 404 542 5530

-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [HSSG] Topics for Consideration
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:38:19 -0700
From: "Menachem Abraham" <mabraham@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <STDS-802-3-HSSG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>



In the CFI presentation there was a chart showing the expected market
adoption of a higher speed Ethernet over time.


First wave shown was: Internet Exchanges, ISP Backbones, Content


Second wave shown was: ISP Aggregation, Supercomputing / R&D, Broadband


Third wave shown was: Campus Backbone, Corporate Backbone, Corporate
Data Center


In the same presentation there were categories for reach targets: 


Backplane up to 1m

VSR up to 25 m

SR up to 100 m

LR up to 40 Km

VLR beyond 40Km


Assuming that the market adoption projection above is correct we should
match the reach definitions to these applications and see what that
means regarding the priorities for our work, i.e. :


(1) Internet Exchange = SR, ISP Backbone = ? , Content Providers = SR


(2) ISP Aggregation = ?, Supercomputing / R&D = SR, Broadband
Aggregation = ?


(3) Campus Backbone = LR, Corporate Backbone = VLR, Corporate Data
Center = SR


What are the answers to the question marks above? 








From: John DAmbrosia [mailto:jdambrosia@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 8:44 AM
To: STDS-802-3-HSSG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [HSSG] Topics for Consideration



I would like to thank all those who have joined the reflector and will
be bringing information and requirements to the table in the future.  I
am sure we are going to have a lot of "fun" in the future.


During our first meeting, I anticipate spending a lot of time focusing
on objectives.  At the closing plenary I highlighted two issues /
objectives that the SG would have to consider:


*         Tradition of 10x leap in speed

*         Multiple Reach Targets


It was also presented that the focus of this effort wasn't for a desktop
application, and that the cost model needs to be considered.


I want to encourage everyone to start thinking about these areas and to
use the reflector for discussion.  This will assist everyone in
providing well-thought out presentations, which will make for a better
and more productive meeting in September.  :-)


John D'Ambrosia

Force10 Networks

Phone - 717-460-8535