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Re: [HSSG] Topics for Consideration

Hi Myles,

you are correct that the dispersion tolerance of 40G serial
is 2.5-times less than 25G serial, but maybe you would employ
40G serial anyway only in some long-haul WDM WAN where
you are using DCMs anyway .... the uncompensated reach
is still an argument because it will take a decision in what kind
of network you will employ that PHY ....

You think obviously of some 100GBase-LX4 PMD with 25G serial speed
on all four lanes. To my knowledge, LX4 PMDs are mainly used at 1310nm
where the chromatic dispersion is very small anyway. If I take typical numbers
from 10GBase-LX4:

Lane 0    1269.0 nm    -1.2 ps/nm/km    -12 ps/nm after 10km SSMF
Lane 1    1300.2 nm    +1.5 ps/nm/km    +15 ps/nm after 10km SSMF
Lane 2    1324.7 nm    +3.7 ps/nm/km    +37 ps/nm after 10km SSMF
Lane 3    1355.9 nm    +6.4 ps/nm/km    +64 ps/nm after 10km SSMF

(2nd column center wavelength, 3rd column D, 4th column accumulated dispersion)

For NRZ you could estimate the width of the optical spectrum (per lane) to
be roughly 70% of the clock speed, take another factor of two for chirp
to be on the safe side, that would give you a spectral width of ~36 GHz FWHM
per 25 Gb/s lane, or something like 0.21nm FWHM @ 1310nm. That would mean that
the accumulated ISI for Lane 3 after 10km is probably about ~13ps at 25 Gb/s,
or 33% UI, which is probably acceptable. I think the dispersion limit of 40km for
10 Gb/s on SSMF @ 1550nm corresponds to ~75% UI ISI, so with 33% you
should be close to the dispersion limit but still below.

With other words, I think a potential 100GBase-LX4 interface could
be used in some inter-building/campus (or other) applications with 10km
max. reach running around 1310nm. You still would not need dispersion
compensation most likely.


Myles Kimmitt wrote:
My point was that the APL should try to be broader than an nx10G sublayer (at least architecturally) because there are applications that could take advantage of higher speed links, especially over time. Try to get more mileage out of the sublayer.
I wasn't proposing that 802.3 get involved in any WAN links - it was just an example of how economics skew in different markets.
All that you say about dispersion is true but 25G dispersion would be 2.5 times better than 40G. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Subject: Re: [HSSG] Topics for Consideration

I agree that there is a cost to consuming wavelengths, and they should be used wisely.  But a system that has been engineered to support 10G rates cannot necessarily step up to higher speeds, even if optically compatible with the existing DWDM grid and power levels.  The SM fiber's dispersion limited distance drops as the square of the bit rate.  For example, for externally modulated sources, if the dispersion limited distance is 60 km at 10Gb/s, then at 25 Gb/s it will be less than 10km.  So channels that exceed this distance would need to be dispersion compensated.  Were you thinking that the higher rates would be used  only on shorter channels, or were you thinking of dispersion compensation technologies as work-arounds?  If the former, then consider how it impacts the objectives.  If the latter, it opens up a whole set of issues.  

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Re: [HSSG] Topics for Consideration

I would expand on the statement:
"Carrier want to leverage their existing DWDM layer which mean
baudrate in the 9.95-12.5 Gig".

There are two layers at which compatibility with existing DWDM systems can
be achieved: the electrical layer (which this statement implies) and the
photonic layer. Compatibility at the photonic layer means interoperability
with existing DWDM wavelengths, optical filters, power leveling, etc. on
the same fiber. Is is likely that 25G (+7% FEC) NRZ optical signals are
compatible with many existing 10G NRZ DWDM systems. There is a premium to
using many wavelengths in these systems and a 4x25G channel might well be
cheaper and more wavelength efficient (as measured by GB/s/nm)than a
10x10G channel.

Such details are probably beyond the scope of the SG but I think it is
important to architect below the MAC to allow link speeds faster than 10G
within the APL which make sense in certain markets and will become more
economic and widespread over time.


> I have listed dilemma we are facing:
> - Implementing 100 Gig in the near term means Nx10Gig
> - Implementing 100Gig in few years the right answer might be nx25Gig
> - Carrier want to leverage their existing DWDM layer which mean
> baudrate in the 9.95-12.5 Gig - If LAG implemented why not allow n to be 4?
>  - Operation with different width
> - Backward compatibility XAUI, LX4 ?
> - Greatest bandwidth demands (100+Gig) are on VSR links <50 m but
> the longer reach >10Km may be able to live with 4x10Gig.
> All these means we should either define some sort of scalable
> architecture or just define LAG method and do not define any PMDs!
> Thanks,
> Ali

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