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Re: [802SEC] FW: +++10 day EC Email Ballot +++ Confirmation of Rich Kennedy as IEEE 802.18 Vice Chair



Andrew,

It wasn't my intention to imply that 802.18 should focus on influencing the USG position on ITU-R matters when those positions are being developed in the US National Committee process. That is a role that the IEEE USA could be involved in if they chose to be involved in that process.

802.18, as an international body, could comment on views that are presented to various ITU-R Working Parties and Study Groups. Indeed 802, through 802.18, has participated in providing data in response to the use of various technologies for Smart Grid management to ITU-R WP1A. Those contributions were in reply to liaisons received from ITU-R and did not focus on any single regulator's policies.

However 802.18, on behalf of IEEE  802, does make comments to the ANFR, Ofcom, the FCC, etc. when they are considering making national rules that are seen as impacting 802 technologies. The recent comments to the U.K. Ofcom, where they asked for those type of comments, would be an example. Indeed over the years 802 has, through 802.18, provided comments to a number of national regulators.

I hope that this clears up any confusion from my original email.   That particular email has been superseded by a more recent email which is more focused on the topic of Mr. Kennedy's affirmation as the 802.18 Vice Chair.

I remain glad to further discuss directly with you the role of 802.18.

Best regards,

Mike

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-----Original Message-----
From: "Andrew Myles (amyles)" <amyles@cisco.com>
Sent: ‎4/‎29/‎2014 23:21
To: "Michael Lynch" <MJLynch@mjlallc.com>; "STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG" <STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: RE: [802SEC] FW: +++10 day EC Email Ballot +++ Confirmation of Rich Kennedy as IEEE 802.18 Vice Chair

G’day Mike 
 
I do not want to comment on whether Rich Kennedy should or should not be the VC of the 802.18 WG.
 
Rather, I was more concerned by your comments on the role of the 802.18 WG. Your comments seemed to imply that the WG has a primary role to advise and influence the USG on ITU-R matters. As an international SDO, I believe it is inappropriate for IEEE 802 to focus on the USG in the way that you suggest. Certainly influencing the USG is important because the US NB is influential in the ITU-R. However, IEEE 802.18 WG needs to equally focus on influencing regulators in other countries.
 
Andrew  
 
From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Michael Lynch
Sent: Wednesday, 30 April 2014 10:05 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] FW: +++10 day EC Email Ballot +++ Confirmation of Rich Kennedy as IEEE 802.18 Vice Chair
Importance: High
 
Dear EC,
 
After some further discussions I would like to resubmit my ballot on Mr. Kennedy’s affirmation.
 
While I hope that Mr. Kennedy can find the time in his very busy schedule to be an excellent full time VC for 802.18 I have personal doubts about that. Therefor I vote “abstain” but do reserve the right to change my vote to “no”.
 
Best regards,
 
Mike
972.814.4901
 
From: Michael Lynch 
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 19:28
To: John_DAmbrosia@DELL.COM; STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [802SEC] FW: +++10 day EC Email Ballot +++ Confirmation of Rich Kennedy as IEEE 802.18 Vice Chair
Importance: High
 
John,
 
Unfortunately, due to a number of items, ranging from Mr. Kennedy’s method of nomination and other items not apparent to the EC in general, I find myself having to abstain from this vote and reserving my right to change my vote to “no”. May I make it clear right now that I have no ill will towards Mr. Kennedy.
 
While I hope that Mr. Kennedy can find the time in his very busy schedule to be an excellent full time VC for 802.18 he has, in emails to me, indicated that the work in IEEE 802.18 doesn’t fit his current roles nor is it seen as important at those other roles. He has described himself as (sic) “engaged with regulators, standards developers and engineers and others with a market view” and that the ITU-R will just have to come later. Indeed he seems to have stopped answering my emails. Some or many were focused on what is not only happening in the ITU-R but what the U.S. Government (USG) is planning to present to the World Radiocommunication Conference. Can the IEEE SA, and the IEEE USA, try to influence those views? Certainly, but accepting the current expressed views of the FCC and the USG casually simply delays the opening of spectrum for license exempt systems and even seeing it “adopted” to supports the claimed needs of the IMT Advanced community (and as normal !
 the military’s need for “clean and clear” frequency bands). I have been through the prep and functioning of the USG in something like six WRC’s and non-action is not a way to “win”. 
 
We have been told by a FCC source that in a certain frequency band of interest that after 2018 only maritime users will be in the band. That is the same thing that came from an earlier radio conference and the results were “disappointing” to say the least.
 
Based on his direct comments to me and, again, background maneuvering within IEEE 802 and even the manner that his nomination was announced in Beijing, I cannot at this time provide a positive vote for Mr. Kennedy in the 802.18 VC role. Is he qualified? I am not able to say at this time. He is much too busy to explain himself. Is he involved in the US government’s preparation for WRC15, or even other lesser meetings? That isn’t apparent to me.
 
I could change my vote to “yes” if he were to drop his other “regulatory chair” roles in .11 and, possibly, in .15 and other outside organizations that seem to take much of his time even during IEEE 802 meetings. IMHO I see those roles, combined with being the VC of 802.18, as having a potential for a serious conflict of interest, especially if certain other plans, developed by the most senior IEEE 802 leadership, that may or may not be known to the EC in general, for Mr. Kennedy’s becoming the IEEE 802.18 chair, become effective. In those plans it is envisioned that Mr. Kennedy would become the IEEE 802.18 chair in early 2015 and continue his 802.11 (and possibly 802.15) regulatory chair roles. I would be generously invited to remain on as a voting member of 802.18 and to continue to support the work of the IEEE SA, and 802, in ITU-R which is by seen by some as of secondary importance in determining regulatory affairs.
 
As always I am glad to discuss. Sadly I have seen no desire or intention to realistically discuss the issues of Mr. Kennedy’s multiple roles, both within and without IEEE 802, and their impact after they are combined on his becoming the next IEEE 802.18 chair. Again, IMHO, it seems those decisions are being made for 802, and indirectly for IEEE SA, by a limited group based on friendships or the lack of them.
 
Do I have outside consulting roles? Yes, I do. But they do not conflict with my role as the 802.18 chair. Indeed my role in TIA is seen by some as helping to build a bridge between the two groups (IEEE and TIA).
 
Best regards,
 
Mike
 
Michael Lynch
Chair, IEEE 802.18 Radio Regulatory Technical Advisory Group
IEEE SA Technical Liaison to ITU-R
+1.972.814.4901
 
From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John D'Ambrosia
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 21:41
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] FW: +++10 day EC Email Ballot +++ Confirmation of Rich Kennedy as IEEE 802.18 Vice Chair
 
Dear Members of the EC, 
It has come to my attention that my initial email that was sent to the EC Reflector never actually made it through.  I am assuming that this was related to reflector issues that I have heard about.  I am resending the motion, copying the text from my original email below and changing the respective dates.
___________________________________
 
Dear Members of the EC,
Rich Kennedy has submitted his endorsement and affiliation letter for his role as IEEE 802.18 Vice Chair.  I have consulted with our illustrious chair, and he has directed me to conduct a 10 day EC email ballot to confirm Mr. Kennedy as IEEE 802.18 Vice Chair.
 
This ballot will be conducted per OM Clause "4.1.2 Voting rules"
I am announcing the possibility of an 'early close' to this ballot (see below).
 
Motion:                Motion to confirm Rich Kennedy as 802.18 WG Vice-Chair.
 
Moved:                John D’Ambrosia
2nd:                         Jon Rosdahl
 
Start of Ballot     Friday 25 April
Close of Ballot   Monday May 5 (11:59pm AoE)
 
Early close: As required in subclause 4.1.2 'Electronic Balloting' of the IEEE project 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Operations Manual, this is notice that this ballot may close early once sufficient responses are received to clearly decide a matter.
 
Regards,
John D’Ambrosia
 
 
From: DAmbrosia, John 
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2014 1:29 PM
To: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
Cc: jdambrosia@ieee.org
Subject: +++10 day EC Email Ballot +++ Confirmation of Rich Kennedy as IEEE 802.18 Vice Chair
 
Dear Members of the EC,
Rich Kennedy has submitted his endorsement and affiliation letter for his role as IEEE 802.18 Vice Chair.  I have consulted with our illustrious chair, and he has directed me to conduct a 10 day EC email ballot to confirm Mr. Kennedy as IEEE 802.18 Vice Chair.
 
This ballot will be conducted per OM Clause "4.1.2 Voting rules"
I am announcing the possibility of an 'early close' to this ballot (see below).
 
Motion:                Motion to confirm Rich Kennedy as 802.18 WG Vice-Chair.
 
Moved:                John D’Ambrosia
2nd:                         Jon Rosdahl
 
Start of Ballot     Thursday 24 April
Close of Ballot   Sunday May 4
 
Early close: As required in subclause 4.1.2 'Electronic Balloting' of the IEEE project 802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee (LMSC) Operations Manual, this is notice that this ballot may close early once sufficient responses are received to clearly decide a matter.
 
Regards,
John D’Ambrosia
 
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