RE: +++ Press News Byte - 802.15
I guess the reason I didn't vote yes is that I don't vote yes on things I
think are not good enough and/or I don't want my name on. I'm kind of funny
that way and it is the way I encourage people to vote in my group.
I wouldn't put a release out like that for the reasons I mentioned. For
example, entrenched as Ethernet is I would not assume that press readers
knew how to properly interchange the terms 802.3, Ethernet and 10BASE-T.
Any press release that I have had anything to do with I try to be careful
to include all of the terms with enough linkage that the reader will have
some linkage in the future.
I do want you to fix it and I think I can be of help in reviewing it when
you have. I'll be happy to vote yes when I think the problem is solved.
If you and the rest of the Exec do not support my point of view then you
can pass it without my vote. That is the system and I actually believe in it.
At 04:33 PM 4/7/00 -0400, Bob Heile wrote:
>Obviously I feel the way Buzz does as well. If the points are only
>clarifying why not vote yes and instruct me to clarify. This process makes
>it virtually impossible to disseminate any kind of timely information on
>the activities of 802 or any of its working groups. The content is already
>reduced to pabulum in an effort to expedite and even that does not seem to
> At 12:52 PM 4/7/00 -0700, Rigsbee, Everett O wrote:
>>I don't know, maybe I'm just a weirdo, but I certainly remember the
>>objectives for 802.15.1 very clearly, because they were roundly debated
>>during the PAR development process and were a central theme in deciding
>>how to place the resulting project (ie. the 802.11-Lite vs.
>>802.15-Bluetooth debate). It also seems clear to me that the
>>parenthetical statement refers to all 3 of the objectives. So I'm having
>>difficulty understanding your reasons for a negative vote when the changes
>>required appear to be purely editorial. I trust Jim and Bob to come up
>>with modifications to the text that will address your concerns.
>>Am I the only one who feels this way ???
>>Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
>>PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
>>Seattle, WA 98124-2207
>>ph: (425) 865-2443, fx: (425) 865-6721
>> > ----------
>> > From: Geoff Thompson[SMTP:email@example.com]
>> > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 9:32 AM
>> > To: Jim Carlo
>> > Cc: IEEE802
>> > Subject: Re: +++Press News Byte - 802.15
>> > Bob-
>> > Jim-
>> > I would not have a CLUE, nor would I expect any reader to without going
>> and doing a PAR lookup as to the meaning of:
>> > "To provide a standard for low complexity, low cost, low power
>> consumption (comparable to the goals of 802.15.1)"
>> > Is the comparison to 802.15.1 only for power or for all 3?
>> > Are the readers REALLY expected to be inherently familiar with goals of
>> 802.15.1 at this level?
>> > Can you pass such a test on complexity, cost, or power consumption on
>> an arbitrary 802.3 project?
>> > For the time being and for the above version I will vote no.
>> > Geoff
>> > At 01:48 AM 4/7/00 -0500, Jim Carlo wrote:
>> > >SEC OFFICIAL EMAIL BALLOT 802.0/6April2000
>> > >Issue Date: 6April2000 Closing Date: 11April2000
>> > >Moved By: Bob Heile
>> > >Seconded By: Jim Carlo
>> > >Move: Authorize (In Principal after more edits) IEEE News Byte for
>> IEEE 802.15
>> > >NEWS BYTE
>> > >March 30, 2000, Piscataway, NJ--- IEEE 802.15 WPAN Standards Project
>> on High Rate WPANs Approved
>> > >The IEEE-SA Standards Board recently approved a new project request
>> > >for wireless personal area networks, designated P802.15.3, Wireless
>> > >Access Control (MAC) and Physical Layer (PHY) Specifications for High
>> > >Wireless Personal Area Networks (WPAN). This new project will be
>> > >within the 802.15 Working Group, as part of the IEEE 802 LAN/MAN
>> > >(winner of the IEEE Millenium Medal), which is sponsored by the Computer
>> > >Society of the IEEE.
>> > >The project's scope and purpose, approved at the 30 March 2000 Standards
>> > >Board meeting, is as follows:
>> > >Scope of Proposed Project: This project will define the PHY and MAC
>> > >specifications for high data rate wireless connectivity with fixed,
>> > >and moving devices within or entering a Personal Operating Space
>> > >goal of the WPAN-HR (High Rate) Task Group will be to achieve a level of
>> > >interoperability or coexistence with other 802.15 Task Groups. It is
>> > >the intent of this project to work toward a level of coexistence with
>> > >wireless devices in conjunction with Coexistence Task Groups such as
>> > >Purpose of Proposed Project: To provide a standard for low
>> > >cost, low power consumption (comparable to the goals of 802.15.1) and
>> > >high data rate wireless connectivity among devices within or entering
>> > >Personal Operating Space (POS). The data rate will be high enough, 20
>> > >or more, to satisfy a set of consumer multimedia industry needs for WPAN
>> > >communications. The project will also address the Quality of Service
>> > >capabilities required to support multimedia data types.
>> > >For more information, please contact Bob Heile, Chair of 802.15 at
>> > >firstname.lastname@example.org, John Barr, Chair of theTask Group for P802.15.3 on High
>> > >Rate WPANs at email@example.com, Jim Allen, Vice Chair of Task Group for
>> > >at firstname.lastname@example.org or visit the 802.15 Web site at>
>> > >http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/15/.
>> > >IEEE contact:
>> > >Karen McCabe
>> > >Manager, Marketing
>> > >IEEE Standards Activities
>> > >email@example.com
>> > >PH: +1 732 562 3824; FX: +1 732 562 1571
>> > >http://standards.ieee.org/
>> > >The Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers, Inc.
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>> > >Howard Frazier -
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>> > >Chip Benson -
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>> > >Jim Carlo - Chair
>> > | Geoffrey O. Thompson
>> > | Chair IEEE 802.3
>> > | Nortel Networks, Inc. M/S SC5-02
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>> > | Santa Clara, CA 95052-8185 USA
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>> > | Please see the IEEE 802.3 web page at
>> > http://www.ieee802.org/3/index.html
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