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RE: IEEE 802 Rules Change Ballot--opens Jan 10 2001, closes March 9 2001


I would say that Observers and Liaisons have the right to "Enter Comments" 
on ballots rather than vote.
This is presumably only at the Working Group Ballot level as it might 
conflict with the ANSI requirement regarding the right to vote DISAPPROVE 
WITHOUT COMMENT at the Sponsor level.


At 11:21 AM 1/13/01 -0600, Jim Carlo wrote:

>I vote as follows:
>Item 1) Approve
>Item 2) Disapprove with comments:
>a) Agree with change that Tony Jeffree suggested.
>b) Modify paragraph as follows:
>Working Group members are shall be encouraged to join the IEEE Standards
>Association and/or the IEEE Computer Society. Although this is not a
>requirement for membership in the Working Group,
>members shall be informed that membership in the IEEE-SA or the IEEE
>Computer Society will be a requirement for voting without additional fee in
>the IEEE Sponsor Ballot group.
>c) We now define: WG Members, WG Observers and WG Liaisons. Not clear what
>rights, if any liaisons/observers have in regard to voting (don't they have
>a right to cast ballots as observers/liaisons?). The listing of Rights
>( seems to apply to more than just the WG Members. Suggest we
>clearly specify rights of observers and liaisons. Note that we have several
>cases where other organizations are now liaising into our WGs.
>d) Finally, I am not sure I agree in principal that we should re-define
>Members to only include Voting Members. This could cause confusion
>externally. Why don't we define WG Voters, WG Observers and WG Liaisons. The
>term "members" is confusing as it only applies to voters.
>Jim Carlo( Cellular:1-214-693-1776 Voice&Fax:1-214-853-5274
>TI Fellow, Networking Standards at Texas Instruments
>Vice Chair, IEEE-SA Standards Board
>Chair, IEEE802 LAN/MAN Standards Committee
>-----Original Message-----
>From: []On
>Behalf Of Paul Nikolich
>Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 5:37 PM
>Subject: IEEE 802 Rules Change Ballot--opens Jan 10 2001, closes March 9
>SEC,                                                               January 
>9, 2001
>Attached on the following pages you will find the text for two proposed
>LMSC rules changes for SEC letter ballot (as approved at the November 2000
>- The first proposed rules change broadens the rules to permit the use of
>802 funds to support the publication and dissemination of 802 standards.
>- The second proposed rules change resolves ambiguity in 5.1.3 with respect
>to the definition and use of the terms 'members' (have achieved voting
>status) and 'observers' (individuals who are registered attendees at a
>plenary meeting that are NOT members).
>This letter ballot will be open from January 10, 2001 to March 9, 2001.
>Please review the changes, submit your comments and cast your ballot.
>Remember, not voting is equivalent to a disapprove vote.
>--Paul Nikolich