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Matt,  I also will vote disapprove pending the adoption of Roger’s comments.  I suspect everyone else will vote the same, if they have the chance.  So I suggest you go ahead and draft the amended version and issue it on Feb 06, 2003 so we can close this one out ASAP.  There doesn’t seem to be any point in dragging this one out.  

 

Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
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From: mjsherman@research.att.com [mailto:mjsherman@research.att.com]
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 7:34 PM
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Subject: [802SEC] RE: RE: +++ SEC Rules Change Letter Ballot +++ Ballot on Rules Title Change

 

Note corrected vote counts below:

 

 

 

Matthew Sherman
Vice Chair, IEEE 802
Technology Consultant
Communications Technology Research
AT&T Labs - Shannon Laboratory
Room B255, Building 103
180 Park Avenue
P.O. Box 971
Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971
Phone: +1 (973) 236-6925
Fax: +1 (973) 360-5877
EMAIL: mjsherman@att.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Sherman,Matthew J (Matthew)
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:30 PM
To: stds-802-sec@ieee.org
Subject: RE: +++ SEC Rules Change Letter Ballot +++ Ballot on Rules Title Change

 

Dear SEC members,

 

Below is the status on the SEC rules change letter ballot on the Rules Title Change.  The ballot closes February 6, 2003 at 11:59 PM EST. This is about one week away.  Please get in your votes and comments so we can have a successful comment resolution on this ballot.  (Remember if you do not vote or abstain it is equivalent to a DISAPPROVE vote). Please identify any inaccuracies you detect in my status report.

 

Best Regards,

 

Mat

                                   

 

Ballot Results and comments as of 1/30/03

 

00 Paul Nikolich                   DIS                     With Comments

01 Geoff Thompson                                  DNV

02 Matthew Sherman                                 DNV

03 Buzz Rigsbee                                    DNV

04 Bob O'Hara                      DIS                     With Comments

05 Bill Quackenbush                                DNV

06 Tony Jeffree            APR

07 Bob Grow                                        DNV

08 Stuart Kerry                                    DNV

09 Bob Heile                                       DNV

10 Roger Marks                     DIS                     With Comments

11 Mike Takefman                                   DNV

12 Carl Stevenson                  DIS                     With Comments

13 Jim Lansford                                    DNV

14 Mark Klerer                                     DNV

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            totals:      1 APR   4 DIS   0 ABS  10 DNV

 

10 APPROVES (2/3 majority) are required to PASS.

 

 

Comments to date:

 

 

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Stevenson, Carl R (Carl) [carlstevenson@agere.com]             Tue 1/14/2003 5:51 AM

 

I vote DISAPPROVE.  I will change my vote to APPROVE if the

changes Roger Marks suggested are accepted.

 

 

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Paul Nikolich [paul.nikolich@att.net]                          Mon 1/13/2003 7:57 PM

 

I vote DISAPPROVE.  I will change my vote to APPROVE if the changes Roger

Marks suggested are accepted.

 

 

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Bob O'Hara [bob@bstormnetworks.com]                           Thu 1/9/2003 12:27 PM

 

 

Given that all of Roger's comments are addressed, I vote APPROVE.

 

 

 

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Robert D. Love [rdlove@nc.rr.com]                             Thu 1/9/2003 11:20 AM

 

Roger, my hat is off to you.  Great job.

 

Mat, this is a good lesson that there is no such thing as a simple change.

It is a good lesson for all of us about the amount of care and review we

need to "improve" our documents.

 

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Sherman,Matthew J (Matthew)                                   Wed 1/8/2003 6:19 PM

 

Roger,

 

Excellent point!  Thanks.  I'll include this on comment resolution.

 

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Roger B. Marks [r.b.marks@ieee.org]                                                                                           Wed 1/8/2003 6:19 PM

 

I vote Disapprove.

 

The change would introduce inconsistencies in the document; even the

document's many references to itself would be incorrect. These could

be addressed by the following changes:

 

*Footer on each page changed from "LMSC OPERATING RULES" to "LMSC

POLICIES AND PROCEDURES".

 

*In Clause 1, change "In the event of any conflict between these

rules and..." to "In the event of any conflict between this document

and..."

 

*Change title of Clause 3.6 from "Change of Rules" to "Change of

Policies and Procedures".

 

*Change opening of Clause 3.6 from "These rules of the operation of

the LMSC" to "These LMSC Policies and Procedures".

 

*Change title of 3.6.1 from "Initiation of Proposed Rules Changes" to

"Initiation of Proposed Changes to LMSC Policies and Procedures"

 

*Change title of 3.6.2 from "Executive Committee Action on Proposed

Rules Changes" to "Executive Committee Action on Proposed Changes to

LMSC Policies and Procedures"

 

*In 3.6.1 and 3.6.5, change "LMSC Operating Rules" to "LMSC Policies

and Procedures".

 

*In 3.6.1 (1b), strike the word "rule".

 

*In the last paragraph of 3.6.1, strike the word "rule".

 

*In the first line of 3.6.2, strike the word "rules".

 

*In the first line of 3.6.5, strike the word "rules".

 

*In the second sentence of the second paragraph of 3.6.5, strike the

word "rules".

 

*In the third sentence of the second paragraph of 3.6.5, change "the

rules" to "they".

 

*In the fourth sentence of the second paragraph of 3.6.5, strike

"rules" and "rule".

 

*Change 5.1.4.6 from:

 

"If Working Group operation conflicts with the LMSC Operating Rules,

then the LMSC Operating Rules shall take precedence."

 

to

 

"If Working Group operation conflicts with the LMSC Policies and

Procedures, then the LMSC Policies and Procedures shall take

precedence."

 

*In Condition 1 of Procedure 10, change "IEEE 802 Operating Rules" to

"LMSC Policies and Procedures" and change "current IEEE 802 Operating

Rule URL" to "current URL of the LMSC Policies and Procedures".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Matthew Sherman
Vice Chair, IEEE 802
Technology Consultant
Communications Technology Research
AT&T Labs - Shannon Laboratory
Room B255, Building 103
180 Park Avenue
P.O. Box 971
Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971
Phone: +1 (973) 236-6925
Fax: +1 (973) 360-5877
EMAIL: mjsherman@att.com