RE: [802SEC] Deadbeat rule change proposal
I could support the "statute of limitations" of
5-7 years (though I am also loath to let them off
the hook, the record-keeping burden bodes in favor
of such a provision).
Still, however, how to we add some "teeth" to the
rules to deal with deadbeats at WG-sponsored interims?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Quackenbush [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:12 PM
> To: IEEE 802 SEC
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Deadbeat rule change proposal
> Having written the proposed rule change, I may not be able to read it
> objectively. However, I offer the following thoughts to this
> Change to Section 2
> The change to this section was to ALLOW the LMSC Treasurer to collect
> fees from attendees at 802 sponsored interims. Strictly speaking, the
> current wording does not allow the Treasurer to collect fees for any
> interim meeting. The expenses for an 802 sponsored interim
> meeting ARE
> expenses of operating 802. This authorizes the Treasurer to collect
> fees for 802 sponsored interim meetings that are 802
> operating expenses
> and but not collect fees for 802 meetings that are sponsored by other
> entities and are not 802 operating expenses. And since fees
> will not be
> collected for meetings not sponsored by 802, the funds from those two
> categories of meetings will not be comingled.
> Given the reaction to this proposed change to Section 2, I
> suggest that
> the sentence in question should be changed to something like
> "The LMSC Treasurer may collect fees from all attendees of any
> meeting held in conjuction with a Plenary session to cover the
> expenses of the Plenary session and the expenses of operating
> the LAN MAN Standards Committee". The LMSC Treasurer
> may collect
> fees from all attendees of any meeting held in
> conjuction with an
> LMSC sponsored interim meeting to cover the expenses of
> the interim
> I see no reason the make the collection of fees mandatory.
> The will be
> collected if they are needed.
> The objection to placing any mention of fees for interims in this
> section applies equally to any mention of fees for Plenary meetings as
> the topic of the section is the opening (Monday morning) plenary
> meeting. I simply added interims meetings to what was there to avoid
> for the moment undertaking a more extensive reorganization of
> the rules
> which they desperately need. The above two sentences can be moved to
> another place in the rules if that is the desire of the SEC.
> New Section 6
> This section speaks of "LMSC standards development group or subgroup
> meetings". i.e. meetings of an LMSC standards development group or
> subgroup. It says nothing about who sponsored the meetings.
> this section applies equally to meetings sponsored by the LMSC and
> meetings sponsored by other entities.
> The last sentence of this section was added at the suggestion
> of another
> SEC member. I believe that Bob Grow is correct in pointing out that
> LMSC P&P 3.1,f applies here. Based on Bob's observation, the
> needs to be modified. Perhaps the sentence should simply end with
> "responsibility of the LMSC Treasurer and the LMSC
> Executive Secretary."
> The implementation of the policy should/must consider the input of the
> WG/TAG chairs.
> Bob Love has suggested a "statue of limitations". While I am
> not a fan
> of letting the basters off the hook, a window of maybe 5 or 7 years
> might be useful to 802 in that it limits the length of time we need to
> maintain our records.
> Comments please.
> Geoff Thompson wrote:
> > Bill-
> > I have some general problems with your proposal.
> > RE the original form of the phrase:
> > The LMSC Treasurer may collect fees from all attendees of
> any meeting
> > held in conjunction with the a Plenary or Interim session
> to cover the
> > expenses of operating the LAN MAN Standards Committee.
> > ...probably needs to be updated from "may" to "shall".
> > Either way, I don't think the modification for interims belongs here
> > in the current context.
> > It is not the job of the LMSC Treasurer to collect fees from an
> > Interim session to cover the expenses of operating the LAN MAN
> > Standards Committee.
> > Rather, LMSC Treasurer through the conference organizer may collect
> > fees from all attendees of an interim meeting to cover the
> expenses of
> > the interim meeting.
> > If we go with the currently proposed text then we are signing up for
> > all sorts of grief about whose interims are supporting plenary
> > operation and whose are not.
> > Also, I am a little unhappy about a policy that is so
> completely rigid
> > and has no provision for input from the affected WG Chair.
> > Geoff
> > At 04:35 PM 3/3/2003 -0800, Bill Quackenbush wrote:
> > > All,
> > >
> > > Attached is my first draft of the proposed deadbeat rule changes.
> > >
> > > I have put the new material in a new section so that it applies
> > > equally
> > > to any LMSC standards development group meeting.
> > >
> > > Your comments are encouraged.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > wlq
> > >