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Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ Ballot on WG Membership




Matt, 

some comments on the ballot. I did not use your xls format
as I wanted to start some discussion. 

I support the overall objectives of the ballot but I have
a few nits.

My presumption at the moment would be to vote disapprove 
with comments. Reasonable disposition of my comments would 
change my vote to approve.


1) Original text is
One duly constituted interim Working Group or task group meeting may be
substituted for the Working Group meetings at one of the two Plenary sessions
(See 5.1.3.5 Meetings and Participation).

I suggest the following single word change.

One duly constituted interim Working Group or task group SESSION may be
substituted for the Working Group meetings at one of the two Plenary 
sessions (See 5.1.3.5 Meetings and Participation).

Reading your proposed change would mean that interims are not
really useful in terms of gaining membership since only a single
meeting out of the Interim session could be used to buttress
the individuals lack of attendance at a Plenary session.

I believe the intent is that if someone attends 2 full sessions
and meets the 75% criteria (at least one of which is a Plenary
then they should be eligible for membership).

2) Original text is
In no case should a person who is not a member in good standing 
of IEEE 802 by the end of the first session of establishment of 
a WG be considered to Chair a WG, as they are unlikely to have sufficient
familiarity with the Policies and Procedures of IEEE 802, as well 
as the IEEE 802 Standards Association (IEEE-SA), and IEEE Computer Society.

I suggest the following change as I prefer a positive definition
as compared to a negative one. Also, I have been more explicit
in defining what members are acceptable. I.E. current members of 
802 and new members who have participated in the SG phase of a 
sufficient duration to be members of the new WG. I 
felt the old language was unclear on the second point.

The Chair of the WG must be either: a member in good standing
of IEEE 802; or has met the requirements for membership of the new 
WG. This insures the Chair has sufficient familiarity with the 
Policies and Procedures of IEEE 802, as well as the IEEE 802 Standards
Association (IEEE-SA), and IEEE Computer Society.

3) Original text is
Working Group members shall participate in the consensus process 
in a manner consistent with their professional expert opinion 
as individuals, and not as organizational (industry or company) representatives.

While people acting as individuals is the ideal, I think we 
all know that this is not always the case. I do not have an
well thought out addition, but I throw this out there for
comment by other people. Add this following the paragraph
(as part of the paragraph)

All members shall announce the organization they represent, and
in the case of agents (eg. consultants) their client organization.



cheers, 

mike
> mjsherman@research.att.com wrote:
> 
> Dear EC members,
> 
> 
> 
> Attached you will find the text for an LMSC P&P revision ballot on WG
> Membership.  This ballot was approved at the Friday March 14, 2003 plenary
> session.  It is identical to what was presented at the Plenary session except
> that per the minutes of that meeting I have change the Section number 1.1.1.1
> to 5.1.3.1.  The purpose and rationale for the ballot are as given in the
> attached document.
> 
> 
> 
> Ballot Opens:  March 27, 2003
> 
> 
> 
> Ballot Closes: April 28, 2003  11:59 PM
> 
> 
> 
> WG chairs, if you haven't already done so, please invite your WG members to
> comment through you.  Buzz, please ensure this gets sent to the "802ALL" email
> list as well. While I encourage discussion on the reflector, I am trying
> something new this time, and have included a ballot response / comment form.
> Prior to the close of the ballot, please fill out the attached form with your
> vote and a summary of your comments.  Then send it to the reflector.  I will
> accept updated forms until the close of the ballot.  Iím also open to comments
> on how this process works.  Hopefully this will make it easier for me to
> compile and distribute comments, and not much more difficult for everyone
> else.  If it doesnít work, we will fall back to the old process the next round
> of ballots.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks & Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Mat
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Matthew Sherman
> Vice Chair, IEEE 802
> Technology Consultant
> Communications Technology Research
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Manager of Engineering,       Cisco Systems
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