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Re: [802SEC] +++SEC EMAIL BALLOT+++ Email Ballot: Motion for WG Initial membership interpretation


I vote APPROVE on this

For the following reasons:
        1) I believe that there is ambiguity in our current rules.
        2) Mat has provided RROO text that pushes for interpretation to resolve ambiguity
        3) I believe that this interpretation crisply defines something that aligns to common practice combined with the most widespread operating interpretation of our Operating Rules.
        4) I believe that this interpretation allows immediate use of the "ongoing" criteria.
        5) Any full attendance credit after the initial session [n] negates the need to "use" the "virtual attendance credit".

See attached spreadsheet for a chart.

While I am not wild about this situation, any changes that I want to make to it are in the realm of changes, not interpretations. I believe that what we have before us is a valid interpretation that will crispen things up. We should adopt it as our current baseline and move on from there.


At 08:23 PM 4/14/2003 -0400, Paul Nikolich wrote:

Dear SEC,

This is a 15 day SEC email ballot on a Motion to Interpret the LMSC P&P rule on Working Group Initial Membership as moved by Mat Sherman and seconded by Geoff Thompson.

The email ballot opens on Monday April 14, 2003 9PM EDT and closes Thursday April 29, 2003 9PM EDT.

Please direct your responses to the SEC reflector with a CC directly to me (


--Paul Nikolich
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 5:57 PM
Subject: Motion for WG Initial membership interpretation



I wish to formally make a motion concerning the interpretation of the current initial membership rules.  The motion I would like to make is as follows:




"Motion that until the P&P revision titled "WG membership" being balloted starting March 27th, 2003 is completed (estimated to occur at the end of the July 2003 IEEE 802 Plenary meeting) the line in the LMSC P&P section titled "Retention" reading:

’Membership is retained by participating in at least two of the last four Plenary session meetings.’

Should be interpreted as reading:

’Membership is retained by participating in at least two of the last four Plenary sessions. (An individual who attains membership by participation and attendance at the first meeting of a new Working Group is assumed to have the right to retain that membership by the granting of credit for 'full virtual attendance' at the plenary session that would be immediately previous to the first working group plenary session.)’”




Geoff Thompson helped develop this motion, and has agreed to second it.  Note that based on recent discussions it is somewhat different than the motion I said I would first make on the reflector.  This motion maximally protects the voting rights of initial members by ensuring retention of their rights through the first 4 plenary sessions.  We believe this is the motion that has the greatest chance of success.  If this fails, we may want make a second motion which we would want to complete before the end of the upcoming wireless interim session.  Since the motion is reasonably concise we would prefer a 15 day ballot period for this interpretation to allow time for a second round if needed.





Matthew Sherman
Vice Chair, IEEE 802
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