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Re: [802SEC] 802 Plenary network expenditures


Bill and Pat are correct: we don't have time to enter into an RFP process at
this late date.   A one year contract minimum makes sense, with a provision
to extend to two years if necessary.



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Subject: RE: [802SEC] 802 Plenary network expenditures

> As a past treasurer, I agree with both Bill and Howard. A competitive
bidding process for the contract will probably take about the same time the
similar process takes for meeting management services. There is no way it
would complete by the July plenary and probably not by the November plenary.
> It would therefore make sense to enter into a contract for something like
a year. During the run of that contract, 802 should create an RFQ and go out
for competitive bids for the next contract cycle. The motion doesn't say the
run of the proposed multi-session contract. Bill, what is the intended
duration of the first contract?
> Regards,
> Pat
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Quackenbush []
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:11 AM
> To: Howard Frazier
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] 802 Plenary network expenditures
> Howard,
> I have searched all of the IEEE, IEEE-SA and Computer Society rules that
> I can find and have found only the following section of the IEEE
> Policies that deals with competitive bidding on contracts for IEEE
> Standards meetings.
> "10.2.16 - CONTRACTING
> IEEE Standards meetings may require contracts for various services.
> These services include but are not limited to hotel services and
> meeting management services.
> The IEEE Standards Sponsor committee or designee shall review all
> contracts connected with running a meeting. It is encouraged that
> these contracts be reviewed by IEEE Conference Services prior to
> signing.  Contracts are subject to limitations as defined in Policy
> 12.6.
> All meeting contracts shall be maintained in a readily accessible
> file at the IEEE Standards Department for audit purposes.
> It is the responsibility of the IEEE Standards Sponsor chair or
> working group chair to send a copy of the contract, when executed,
> to the IEEE Standards Department promptly for retention within the
> In signing a contract, competitive bidding procedures shall be
> used whenever practical. If competitive bidding is not practiced,
> the IEEE Standards Sponsor committee or working group chair shall
> be prepared to provide justification."
> If you are aware of other rules dealing with the requirement for
> competitive bidding procedures, please provide me with pointers to them.
> My observation about section 10.2.6 is the "conditional shall" structure
> in the last paragraph with a subjective criterion for when the shall is
> to be invoked.  To my reading, the section states that the use of
> competitive bidding procedures is desirable, but not required if you
> think you have a good reason why it is not practical.
> In light of the amount of time and effort required to generate a
> complete RFP, evaluate bids, evaluate bidders and establish evaluation
> criteria (other than I think those guys/gals have the competence we
> think we want, their price seems okay and they are easy to talk to and
> work with), it is not clear to me that the use of a formal competitive
> bidding process is worth it, especially given our limited personnel
> resources for such an effort.  Your mileage may differ.
> The fees that we are considering are not cheap.  However, we believe
> that we want providers with a high level of competence.  The wireless
> working groups, who will be paying a large fraction of the fees as their
> attendees are a large fraction of Plenary session attendees, depend on a
> highly available network to conduct their business.  If you compute the
> loaded cost a high competent network type for the amount of time that it
> takes to maintain and update the equipment, travel, setup, test,
> operate, manage and tear down the network and allow the provider to make
> a reasonable profit, the fees we are looking at are not unreasonable.
> Again, your mileage may differ.
> Your thoughts?
> Thanks,
> wlq
> Howard Frazier wrote:
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > This seems like an awful lot of money to spend on a network that
> > is only running for one week. I believe that this contract should
> > be put out for bids, and according to the SA and Computer Society
> > rules, I believe that it must be.
> >
> > Howard
> >
> > Bill Quackenbush wrote:
> >
> >  > All,
> >  >
> >  > Given the 30% increase in Plenary session attendance from 11/02 to
> >  > and even greater projected attendance at the 7/03 and 11/03 Plenary
> >  > sessions, the $25k/Pleanry session budget networking does not appear
> >  > be enough.  Given the load and dependence a number of the WGs are
> >  > placing on the Plenary session network, I believe that we need more
> >  > bandwidth to the outside world and we need full-time professional
> >  > network management.
> >  >
> >  > We had a single T1 to the outside world at DFW which was clearly not
> >  > enough and for which we likely set a world record for sustained load.
> >  > We are working on 4xT1 for SF with a cost of something like $8k.
> >  >
> >  > We are also talking with I.D.E.A.L. Technologies about a contract to
> >  > configure, operate and manage the network on a full-time basis.
> >  >
> >  > To that end I make the following motion.
> >  >
> >  > That the budget for the network at a LMSC Plenary session be
> >  > from $25k to $30k with a maximum expenditure of $33k/session and that
> >  > the LMSC is authorized to enter into a multi-session contract
> >  > for the configuration, operation and management of said network
> >  > to the above budget and expenditure limits.
> >  >
> >  > Thanks,
> >  >
> >  > wlq
> >  >
> >  > .
> >  >
> >  >