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Re: [802SEC] EC email vote statistics

I believe that allowing the DO NOT VOTEs to torpedo efforts to conduct business is counter-productive to the effective running of the EC.  If they believe the ballot is fundamentally flawed they could give a simple NO vote and provide as the reason, "Too many to count."
Another alternative is to change the rules to require either a simple majority of all EC voting members to vote "YES", or, if there are a minimum number of votes (like 2/3 of the EC voting) and then it would be a simple majority of the YES and NO votes.  With this second stick hanging over the heads of those that presently don't vote, they will be more motivated to send in their NO vote, if that is their position.
Best regards,
Robert D. Love
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Cc: IEEE802
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: [802SEC] EC email vote statistics

Paul,  Iím with Geoff on this one.  For some issues, there are so many things wrong that writing out comments on all of those is a non-productive process, and DNV is the reasonable alternative. 


If you want to get better return rates on ballots you need to spend more time up front on crafting the text being balloted and responding to discussion comments.  Rewriting a document by ballot comments is a very inefficient process and should be avoided at all cost.  Circulation of drafts for comments and responding to inputs received is more efficient and less redundant, prior to going for a ballot.  Ballots where most folks can vote Approve without comments always get good returns. 


Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
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-----Original Message-----
From: Geoff Thompson []
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 7:43 PM
To: Paul Nikolich
Cc: IEEE802
Subject: Re: [802SEC] EC email vote statistics



At 12:16 PM 7/30/2003 -0400, Paul Nikolich wrote:

Dear EC members,
Between the March 2003 and July 2003 plenary sessions the EC had 7 electronic ballots (the rules ballots are not counted in these stats), giving a total of 7*13=91 vote 'opportunities', 19 of which were DNVs.  Almost 21% of the vote opportunities were not utilized.  We can do better than this.  I think a 90% return rate is a reasonable goal.  Please cast your vote during email ballots, it is your responsibility to your WG/TAG and the LMSC.
Addtionally, at the Novebmer plenary session, I plan to request that the EC to empower me to suspend the EC email ballot voting rights of any member who does not cast a vote in 2 out of the last 3 email ballots.

I assert that any action by you to do so would infringe my right to vote DISAPPROVE by inaction.
We have DNV in the denominator for a reason.

--Paul Nikolich