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Dear EC members,
Below is the status on the LMSC P&P Revision Ballot on Precedence. The ballot closes tomorrow (Thursday) October 2nd at 11:59 PM EDT. Please identify any inaccuracies you detect in my status report. If you have not voted, there is less than a day to do so. There are a lot of DNVs (Did Not Vote) as yet. So please, get in your votes! All comments received to date are attached.
Ballot Results and comments as of 5/8/03
00 Paul Nikolich DNV
01 Geoff Thompson DNV
02 Matthew Sherman APR
03 Buzz Rigsbee APR
04 Bob O'Hara APR
05 Bill Quackenbush DIS
06 Tony Jeffree APR
07 Bob Grow DNV
08 Stuart Kerry DNV
09 Bob Heile APR
10 Roger Marks APR
11 Mike Takefman APR
12 Carl Stevenson DNV
13 Jim Lansford DNV
14 Gary Robinson DNV
totals: 7 APR 1 DIS 0 ABS 7 DNV
10 APPROVES (2/3 majority) are required to PASS.
Ballot is failing currently.
Bill Quackenbush [email@example.com] Sun 9/28/2003 8:24 PM
While I agree with the intent of this proposed revision, I have a number
of problems with the proposed text.
1) It is obvious from the list of documents under which the LMSC
operates that the LMSC has an organization relationship with at least
three entities, the IEEE, the IEEE-SA and the Computer Society.
However, the is no indication in text or Figure of Section 1 of the
relationship between the LMSC, the IEEE and the IEEE-SA and there is no
indication of the relationship between the Computer Society, the IEEE
and the IEEE-SA. It is my understanding that the relationship is not a
strict linear hierarchy and I request that these relationships be added
to the text and Figure of section 1. Such information seems quite
appropriate for an "Overview" section.
2) One of the documents under which the LMSC operates is the "IEEE
Financial Operations Manual" (FOM). This document is missing from the
list and needs to be added. I suspect that it should follow the IEEE
Polices, but you need to check on that.
3) I think that the paragraph immediately preceding the list of
documents would be clearer and more accurate if changed to the following.
"The operation of the LMSC is subject to regulations contained in a
number of documents including these Policies and Procedures. The
regulating documents are identified in the following list and are listed
in their order of precedence from highest to lowest. If any two
documents in this list give conflicting regulations, the conflict shall
be resolved in favor of the document of higher precedence.
Bill Quackenbush [firstname.lastname@example.org] Sun 9/28/2003 11:25 PM
And two other things.
4) I find it rather curious that the IEEE BoD resolutions are lower in
precedence than the IEEE Bylaws and IEEE Policies and Procedures
(actually, this document is entitled the IEEE Policies, not Policies and
Procedures), but the IEEE-SA Bylaws are lower in precedence than the
IEEE-SA Operations Manual and the IEEE-SA BoG resolutions. I find it
very difficult to believe that this is the correct order of precedence
for IEEE-SA documents. Please check the ordering.
5) Then there is the question of where to check to determine if the
order of precedence of these documents has changed and whether documents
have been added or removed from this list. The source(s) of this
ordering needs to be stated.
Sherman,Matthew J (Matthew) Mon 9/29/2003 12:38 PM
Thanks for the inputs. My one question is whether your first change is really necessary. There are (in my opinion) many flaws in how our reporting relationships to various IEEE entities are represented in the P&P. I am not trying to correct them in this change. It is a separate topic, and I feel out of scope given the definition of this change (adding a precedence section). Your other requested changes I feel are in scope.
Bill Quackenbush [email@example.com] Mon 9/29/2003 12:38 PM
It is the presence of the IEEE and IEEE-SA documents in the list of
regulating documents that is being added to the P&P that now raises the
issue of the organizational relationships between the LMSC, the IEEE-SA
and the IEEE and the relationships between the Computer Society and the
IEEE-SA and the IEEE.
We can agree to disagree on this, but I believe we now need to correct
the absence of the IEEE and the IEEE-SA in the org charts and the text.
Dear EC members,
Attached you will find the text for an EC Policies and Procedures revision ballot on Precedence. This letter ballot was approved at the Friday, July 25, 2003 plenary session. The scope and purpose of the changes being balloted are as given in the attached ballot document.
The ballot opens today – September 2, 2003 and closes October 2, 2003 at 11:59 PM Eastern Time (Daylight or Standard as applicable). (Remember if you do not vote or abstain it is equivalent to a DISAPPROVE vote). Buzz, please ensure this gets sent to the "802ALL" email list as well. WG chairs, if you haven't already done so, please invite your WG members to comment through you.