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*To*: <pat_thaler@agilent.com>*Subject*: RE: [802SEC] Final CD-ROM content*From*: Geoff Thompson <gthompso@nortelnetworks.com>*Date*: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 16:42:45 -0700*Cc*: "Geoff Thompson" <gthompso@nortelnetworks.com>, <bob@airespace.com>, <stds-802-sec@ieee.org>, <y.hosang@ieee.org>, <j.t.walker@ieee.org>, <millardo@dominetsystems.com>*In-Reply-To*: <1BEBA5E8600DD4119A50009027AF54A0132E0574@axcs04.cos.agilent.com>*Sender*: owner-stds-802-sec@majordomo.ieee.org

Pat- For 802.3 the current number is far larger than 3 A draft under consideration must be compared against (at least): 802.3-2002 802.3ae-2002 802.3af-2003 802.3aj-2003 Other drafts in any sort of advanced development should be looked at too. Other WGs may not be quite as bad but it is a significant problem. Geoff At 04:00 PM 10/13/2003 -0600, pat_thaler@agilent.com wrote: >I agree very much with what Geoff said. We have just been balloting >additions to IEEE 802.3 which operate on text originally from 802.3 with >changes from 802.3ae (which hasn't been integrated yet into an edition). >It is significantly extra work to have to be comparing between the three >documents all the time. Once the consolidated edition is available, we >should make it available to our voters. > >Regards, >Pat > >-----Original Message----- >From: Geoff Thompson [mailto:gthompso@nortelnetworks.com] >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 2:28 PM >To: Bob O'Hara >Cc: stds-802-sec@ieee.org; y.hosang@ieee.org; j.t.walker@ieee.org; >millardo@dominetsystems.com >Subject: Re: [802SEC] Final CD-ROM content > > > >Bob- > >I have a big problem with this. > >All of the ISO/IEC version of 802 Standards have always been distributed in >the past. They have always been a joint publication. The issue of something >being an ISO standard but only an IEEE "edition" has never been an issue or >a barrier. > >Also, 802 voters should not be burdened with the extra work of flipping >back and forth between multiple documents when referring to the current >standard in order to formulate their ballot comments. > >The work that they do on responsible review of our drafts is already >onerous enough. Both by virtue of the size of the drafts and the size of >the established standards that they have to judge for technical integration. > >Bottom line, I think this is a bad idea in that (1) it takes away something >we had in the past and (2) is counterproductive to good standards development. > >Geoff > > >At 01:55 PM 10/13/2003 -0700, Bob O'Hara wrote: > > >After discussion with Jerry and Yvette, I have revised the content of > >the CD-ROM to contain only IEEE versions of documents, since IEEE does > >not have the right to allow us to redistribute the ISO/IEC documents. I > >have also removed the "editions" of the 802.1Q and 802.11-1999 > >documents, since these are not approved standards and the agreement with > >802 is only for chairs and editors to have these documents without > >purchasing them. > > > >Please review the content of the CD-ROM, below. Get back in touch with > >me before close of business today, Pacific Daylight Time, if there is > >something missing from the list. I will be burning the master CD-R > >tonight and sending it to be reproduced tomorrow. This is your last > >chance. > > > >Also, my apologies to Roger. I did receive updated information for the > >CD-ROM for 802.16 and did not mention it in my earlier email. > > > > -Bob > > > >Bob O'Hara > >Airespace, Inc. > >110 Nortech Parkway > >San Jose, CA 95134-2307 > > > >Phone: +1 408 635 2025 > >Mobile: +1 408 218 4025 > >Fax: +1 408 635 2020 > >email: bob@airespace.com > > > >The list: > > > > > >802-Stds\OPRULES\802 overview 2002r1.pdf > >802-Stds\OPRULES\INDEX.HTML > >802-Stds\OPRULES\OVERVIEW2000.PDF > >802-Stds\OPRULES\rules.pdf > > > >802-Stds\DOT_0\802-2001.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_0\802a-2003.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_0\INDEX.HTML > > > >802-Stds\DOT_1\802.1B-1995.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_1\802.1E-1994.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_1\802.1G-1998.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_1\802.1H-1997.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_1\802.1Q-1998.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_1\802.1s-2002.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_1\802.1t-2001.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_1\802.1u-2001.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_1\802.1v-2001.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_1\802_1D-1998.PDF > >802-Stds\DOT_1\802_1F-1993.PDF > >802-Stds\DOT_1\802_1Q-1998.PDF > >802-Stds\DOT_1\802_1W-2001.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_1\802_1X-2001.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_1\INDEX.HTML > > > >802-Stds\DOT_2\802.2-1998.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_2\INDEX.HTML > > > >802-Stds\DOT_3\1802.3-2001.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_3\802.3-2002.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_3\802.3ae-2002.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_3\802.3af-2003.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_3\802.3aj-2003.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_3\802_3_FILES\DISTORTION-M.TXT > >802-Stds\DOT_3\802_3_FILES\IEEE8023-LAG-MIB.TXT > >802-Stds\DOT_3\802_3_FILES\INDEX.HTML > >802-Stds\DOT_3\802_3_FILES\SINEFIT-M.TXT > >802-Stds\DOT_3\802_3_FILES\TABLE40_1.TXT > >802-Stds\DOT_3\802_3_FILES\TABLE40_10.TXT > >802-Stds\DOT_3\802_3_FILES\TABLE40_11.TXT > >802-Stds\DOT_3\802_3_FILES\TABLE40_2.TXT > > > >802-Stds\DOT_5\802.5-1998.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_5\802.5r_and_802.5j-1998.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_5\802.5t-2000.PDF > >802-Stds\DOT_5\802.5v-2001.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_5\802.5W-2000.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_5\INDEX.HTML802-Stds\DOT_10\802.10-1998.PDF > > > >802-Stds\DOT_10\802.10a-1999.PDF > >802-Stds\DOT_10\802.10c-1998.PDF > >802-Stds\DOT_10\INDEX.HTML > > > >802-Stds\DOT_11\802.11-1999.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_11\802.11a-1999.PDF > >802-Stds\DOT_11\802.11b-1999.PDF > >802-Stds\DOT_11\802.11b-1999_Cor1-2001.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_11\802.11d-2001.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_11\802.11F-2003.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_11\802.11g-2003.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_11\802_11_FILES > >802-Stds\DOT_11\INDEX.HTML > >802-Stds\DOT_11\802_11_FILES\802_11.EXE > >802-Stds\DOT_11\802_11_FILES\dot11mib with 11a 11b and 11d.txt > >802-Stds\DOT_11\802_11_FILES\INDEX.HTML > >802-Stds\DOT_11\802_11_FILES\SDL-AP_FILES.ZIP > >802-Stds\DOT_11\802_11_FILES\SDL-MACMIB_FILES.ZIP > >802-Stds\DOT_11\802_11_FILES\SDL-STA_FILES.ZIP > >802-Stds\DOT_11\802_11_FILES\SDT_Files.ZIP > > > >802-Stds\DOT_15\802.15.1-2002.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_15\802.15.2.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_15\802.15.3-2003.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_15\802.15.4.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_15\INDEX.HTML > > > >802-Stds\DOT_16\802.16-2001.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_16\802.16.2-2001.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_16\802.16a-2003.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_16\802.16c-2002.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_16\802.16_Conformance01-2003.pdf > >802-Stds\DOT_16\INDEX.HTML > > > >802-Stds\obsolete\DOT_0\802-1990.PDF > >802-Stds\obsolete\DOT_0\INDEX.HTML > > > >802-Stds\obsolete\DOT_3\1802.3-1991.PDF > >802-Stds\obsolete\DOT_3\INDEX.HTML > > > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_4\802.4b-1992.pdf > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_4\802.4h-1997.pdf > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_4\8802-4-1990.PDF > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_4\INDEX.HTML > > > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_12\802.12C-1998.PDF > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_12\8802-12-1998.PDF > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_12\INDEX.HTML > > > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_6\802.6-1994.pdf > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_6\802.6ch-1993.PDF > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_6\802.6j-1995.PDF > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_6\802.6k-1992.PDF > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_6\INDEX.HTML > > > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_7\802.7-1989.pdf > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_7\INDEX.HTML > > > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_9\802.9-1994.pdf > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_9\802.9A-1995.PDF > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_9\802.9C-1995.PDF > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_9\802.9D-1995.PDF > >802-Stds\withdrawn\DOT_9\INDEX.HTML > > > >

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