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Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ENDS 4 SEPT+++ Disbanding of 802.9+++tally update



Paul,
 
I vote Approve.
 
/ Stuart


From: owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of paul.nikolich@ATT.NET
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 07:47
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ENDS 4 SEPT+++ Disbanding of 802.9+++tally update

Dear EC members,

The below email ballot closes 5pm edt 4Sept 2004.  The tentative tally for the below motion is
09 Approve
00 Disapprove
06 Did Not Vote
00 Abstains
 
Please remember to cast your vote (or if I did not record it correctly below, send me a correction note.)

Regards,

--Paul Nikolich


Vote categories:          DIS    DNV     APP    ABS
  -----------------------------------------------
  01 Mat Sherman=                        APP
  02 Howard Frazier'             DNV
  03 Buzz Rigsbee=                       APP
  04 Bob O'Hara=                         APP
  05 John Hawkins=                       APP
  06 Tony Jeffree=                       APP
  07 Bob Grow=                           APP
  08 Stuart Kerry.               DNV
  09 Bob Heile                   DNV
  10 Roger Marks.                DNV
  11 Mike Takefman.              DNV
  12 Carl Stevenson=                     APP
  13 Steve Shellhammer=                  APP
  14 Jerry Upton=                        APP
  15 Ajay Rajkumar.              DNV
                          ---++++---+++++---++++---
  TOTALS                  DIS    DNV     APP    ABS
                   total: -00-   -06-    -09-   -00-
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 4:17 PM
Subject: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ENDS 4 SEPT+++ Disbanding of 802.9

Dear EC members,
 
I am withdrawing the original disbanding of 802.4 and 802.9 motion on behalf of the mover and seconder and replacing it with two motions, one to disband 802.4 and one to disband 802.9.
 
This is a 30 day email ballot to make a determination on the following motion:
 
Whereas 802.9 is in hibernation and no longer has any active standards I move to to disband 802.9 per Clause 7.2.5.1 of our P&P."
Moved: Mat Sherman, Second: Tony Jeffree
 
The ballot opens 04August 2004 5pm edt and closes 04September 2004 5pm edt.
 
Regards,
 
--Paul Nikolich
 
 
----- Original Message -----
To: IEEE802
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:03 PM
Subject: +++EC Email Ballot+++ENDS 4 SEPT+++ Disbanding of 802.4 and 802.9

Dear EC Members,
 
This is a 30 day email ballot to make a determination on the following motion:
 
Motion:
Whereas 802.4 and 802.9 are in hibernation and no longer appear to have any active standards, per Clause 7.2.5.1 of our P&P I'd like to request a 30 day electronic ballot of the EC on a motion to disband 802.4 and 802.9.
 
The ballot opens 04August 2004 1pm edt and closes 04September 2004 1pm edt.
 
Regards,
 
--Paul Nikolich
 
 
PLEASE NOTE THE BELOW: 
I have contacted the chairs of the hibernating 802.4 and 802.9 Working Groups, Paul Eastman and Dhadesugoor Vaman to get their input on the disbanding of their Working Groups.  They have also been copied on this email ballot.  On behalf of the entire LMSC, I wish to thank Paul and Dhadesugoor for their time and energy they have spent over the years in leading their respective projects.
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Vaman concurs with the disbanding action and his response to my inquiry was as follows:

"Dear Paul:
Greetings. I think you should go ahead with the plans for disbandment of IEEE 802.9. I do not think that any body has any problems, since the group has not met for many years.
[irrelevant text deleted]...
Best regards
Vaman
(T) 301-514-7880"
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Paul Eastman disagrees with the disbanding action and his response to my inquiry was as follows:
 
"I disagreed with the disbanding in 2000 (or 2001) and I still disagree.  These standards are still in use in isolated applications.  I also believe that these old standards should have the right to protect their legacy.  Under the current rules, there is no method for such protection.  I know that I am in a very small minority regarding my opinion but I am not about to roll over in bowing to the majority. I will abide by the majority but will maintain my opinion.  I do not remember when (other than 2000 or 2001) 802.4 was disbanded.  

-- Paul Eastman"
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 9:04 AM
Subject: [802SEC] Disbanding of 802.4 and 802.9

Dear EC members,
 
There has been a motion to disband 802.4 and 802.9, made by Mat Sherman and seconded by Tony Jeffree as shown below:
 
Motion:
Whereas 802.4 and 802.9 are in hibernation and no longer appear to have any active standards, per Clause 7.2.5.1 of our P&P I'd like to request a 30 day electronic ballot of the EC on a motion to disband 802.4 and 802.9.
 
Before I initiate the formal email ballot, I will attempt to get the chairs of the hibernating working groups to confirm they agree with this action (Paul Eastman, 802.4 and Dhadesugoor Vaman, 802.9.) over the next several days.  I have copied Paul Eastman on this email.  I don't have a current email for Vaman, so I've also copied John Boal, who I believe is in contact with Vaman and can notify him of our plans.
 
Regards,
 
--Paul Nikolich


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