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Re: [802SEC] +++EC MOTION+++ ENDS 22 OCT+++Approval of IEEE P802.11p news release



Bob,

Before I wrote my comments, I looked around for copy of the PAR. I
found this one:
        http://ieee802.org/secmail/doc00268.doc
which was in this message:
        http://ieee802.org/secmail/msg05423.html

I didn't find the full and final approved version.

Roger


>I also vote disapprove.  While I agree with most of Roger's edits, I
>disagree with a couple as noted in the attached.
>
>I don't know which PAR Roger was reviewing, but the PAR on the 802.11
>site is a draft and it disagrees substantially with the approved PAR
>recorded in the NesCom database.
>
>I have added edits to those recommended by Roger and indicated where I
>disagree with his.  The two items that are the basis of my disapprove
>vote though are:
>
>1.  The release is improperly skewed to lead the reader to think this is
>a safety standard, that is contrary to what is stated in the approved
>PAR.
>2.  If this project is balloted as an amendment to IEEE Std 802.11-1999
>and other schedules hold there is a serious project management problem.
>P802.11REVam is scheduled to complete before P802.11p goes to sponsor
>ballot.  While the web form at various times required that the year be
>filled in (making it difficult to properly indicate revision and
>amendment phasing), there is no reason to perpetuate in a press release
>something that that I am assuming is not part of the plan for amending
>and revising IEEE Std 802.11.
>
>--Bob Grow
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org
>>[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@listserv.ieee.org] On Behalf Of
>>Roger B. Marks
>>Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:16 PM
>>To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
>>Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC MOTION+++ ENDS 22 OCT+++Approval
>>of IEEE P802.11p news release
>>
>>I vote Disapprove. I will change my vote to Approve if the changes
>>indicated in the attachment are made.
>>
>>In one case, I have added a rationale. In other cases, I can explain
>>the rationale upon request.
>>
>>Roger
>>
>>
>>At 22:20 -0400 2004-10-12, Paul Nikolich wrote:
>>>Dear EC Members,
>>>
>>>This is an email ballot of 10 day duration on the following motion:
>>>
>>>To approve the attached press release prepared by IEEE-SA
>>staff announcing
>>>the approval of the P802.11p PAR.
>>>Moved: Stuart Kerry
>>>Second: Bob Heile
>>>
>>>It opens 11PM edt 12OCT and closes 11PM edt 22 October.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>--Paul Nikolich
>>>IEEE 802 Chairman
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: <stuart.kerry@philips.com>
>>>To: <p.nikolich@ieee.org>
>>>Cc: <k.mccabe@ieee.org>; <apetrick@icefyre.com>; <bheile@ieee.org>;
>>><hworstell@att.com>; <lra@tiac.net>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:51 PM
>>>Subject: RE: RE: IEEE P802.11p news release
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Paul,
>>>>
>>>>It looks fine to me with Karen's tidy up work. Please start
>>the motion in
>>>>the 802 ExCom.
>>>>
>>>>As previously stated Bob Heile seconds this motion.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Stuart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Stuart J. Kerry
>>>>
>>>>Chair, IEEE 802.11 WLANs WG
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Philips Semiconductors, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>1109 McKay Drive, M/S 48A SJ,
>>>>
>>>>San Jose, CA 95131-1706,
>>>>
>>>>United States of America.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ph : +1 (408) 474-7356
>>>>
>>>>Fax: +1 (408) 474-5343
>>>>
>>>>Cell: +1 (408) 348-3171
>>>>
>>>>eMail: stuart.kerry@philips.com
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: k.mccabe@ieee.org [mailto:k.mccabe@ieee.org]
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:25 PM
>>>>To: Stuart Kerry; apetrick@icefyre.com
>>>>Cc: p.nikolich@ieee.org
>>>>Subject: Re: Fw: IEEE P802.11p news release
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hello,
>>>>We gave the release a good editorial scrub and attached is the clean
>>>>version. Please note, since we have described/qualified IEEE
>>P802.11p as a
>>>>"standard development project" and " a draft standard
>>amendment" under
>>>>development in the first two paragraphs of the release, we
>>can comfortably
>>>>refer (and in proper PR style) to it as "IEEE P802.11p" in
>  >the remainder
>>>>of
>>>>the release--to stay consistent, streamlined and avoid introducing
>>>>confusion by limiting interchanging "standard development
>>project" and
>>>>"draft standard amendment" as qualifiers (the use of these
>>was getting a
>>>>bit overwhelming)--especially since the remainder of the
>>release couches
>>>>the standard project in terms of being under development, etc.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>Karen
>>>>
>>>>(See attached file: PR_P802.11pV3.doc)
>>>>
>>>>Karen McCabe
>>>>Senior Marketing Manager, IEEE Standards
>>>>445 Hoes Lane, PO Box 1331
>>>>Piscataway NJ 08855 USA
>>>>PH: +1 732 562 3824
>>>>email: k.mccabe@ieee.org
>>>>http://standards.ieee.org
>>>>Think Standards! Think IEEE!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                       "Paul Nikolich"
>>>>
>>>>                       <paul.nikolich@at        To:
>>>><k.mccabe@ieee.org>, <stuart.kerry@philips.com>
>>>>
>>>>                       t.net>                   cc:
>>>>
>>>>                                                Subject:  Fw:
>>IEEE P802.11p
>>>>news release
>>>>                       10/12/2004 02:08
>>>>
>>>>                       PM
>>>>
>>>>                       Please respond to
>>>>
>>>>                       "Paul Nikolich"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Karen,
>>>>
>>>>Please give this PR once last editorial scrub, create a new
>>clean version,
>>>>and send it to Stuart for review.
>>>>
>>>>Stuart, once you approve the clean version, please try to get an EC
>>>>seconder
>>>>and I'll issue the EC ballot.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>--Paul
>>>>
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: <stuart.kerry@philips.com>
>>>>To: <p.nikolich@ieee.org>; <k.mccabe@ieee.org>
>>>>Cc: <lra@tiac.net>; <brian@linux-wlan.com>; <apetrick@icefyre.com>;
>>>><hworstell@att.com>
>>>>Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 4:41 PM
>>>>Subject: RE: IEEE P802.11p news release
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Paul and Karen,
>>>>>
>>>>>I have modified the press release to show that the contact for the
>>>>working
>>>>>group is the WG Chair only. With that done, I am happy with
>>the rest of
>>>>>the release. Therefore I move this motion to you as the 802
>>ExCom Chair,
>>>>>and for you to call for a second to begin discussion and subsequent
>>>>>approval process in an 802 ExCom Electronic Ballot of the committee
>>>>>members.
>>>>>
>>>>>/ Stuart
>>>>>
>>>>>P.S. Modified release attached
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@att.net]
>>>>>Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:11 AM
>>>>>To: k.mccabe@ieee.org; p.nikolich@ieee.org
>>>>>Cc: lra@tiac.net; stuart@ok-brit.com; brian@linux-wlan.com
>>>>>Subject: Re: IEEE P802.11p news release
>>>>>
>>>>>Karen,
>>>>>
>>>>>Before we send this out to the EC for approval I made several
>>>>corrections
>>>>>and added a quote from me.  The corrections are mostly
>>making sure to
>>>>the
>>>>>reader that it is clear that a PROJECT was approved to
>>develop a DRAFT
>>>>>STANDARD.  We need to be careful in the future to ensure we maintain
>>>>this
>>>>>distinction in future releases of approved projects.
>>>>>
>>>>>If I have not included all the right people on this email
>>for review and
>>>>>approval of my suggested changes, please include the necessary
>>>>individuals
>>>>>
>>>>>and then resubmit the request for an EC motion to me.
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, just to be clear, the EC motion needs to be made and
>>seconded by 2
>>>>>EC
>>>>>members (typically the WG Chair and another).  I cannot
>>begin a ballot
>>>>>without that.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>--Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: <k.mccabe@ieee.org>
>>>>>To: <p.nikolich@ieee.org>
>>>>>Cc: <lra@tiac.net>; <stuart@ok-brit.com>; <brian@linux-wlan.com>
>>>>>Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 10:36 AM
>>>>>Subject: IEEE P802.11p news release
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Paul,
>>>>>>Working with Lee Armstrong we have developed a news release on the
>>>>start
>>>>>
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>the IEEE 802.11p standard. It's attached and "ready" for the EC
>>>>approval
>>>>>>process.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks!
>>>>>>Karen
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(See attached file: PR_P802.11pV1.doc)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Karen McCabe
>>>>>>Senior Marketing Manager, IEEE Standards
>>>>>>445 Hoes Lane, PO Box 1331
>>>>>>Piscataway NJ 08855 USA
>  >>>>>PH: +1 732 562 3824
>>>>>>email: k.mccabe@ieee.org
>>>>>>http://standards.ieee.org
>>>>>>Think Standards! Think IEEE!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>(See attached file: SJK Modified PR_P802 11pV2.doc)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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