Re: [802SEC] Socials
Let me speak strongly against moving the EC opening meeting to
2pm on a Sunday. There are many venues, where getting from
Ottawa to the location by 2pm would be extremely difficult.
I would be willing to consider the meeting starting much later
Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) wrote:
> My intent was in fact to change the purpose from a Social to a Meet and
> Greet. We are no longer 600-800, we are 1600 strong. I'm don't think
> the social really plays the role it once did. In fact, I know many
> people who intentionally skip it. There are many ways to take a break.
> I'd say move the tutorial to the middle of the week and make sure we
> don't schedule work during that time. Then people still get a break,
> and we have more room for tutorials.
> The bottom line is that some groups seem to have problems cramming it
> all into one week. The bigger we get, the more activities there are,
> and the more difficult to get all the actual work done. What I am
> proposing is to move the less critical functions outside of the weekly
> boundaries. To me, this includes the function of the plenary meeting,
> and the social.
> In addition I'm trying to move the EC functions from Monday to Sunday.
> Frankly they aren't attended by many. We make the effort to fly in
> early already. I think those who are truly interested will as well.
> Otherwise, I think some WG may start running on the weekend anyway since
> they are running out of time during the week.
> So what I'm trying to do is move some less critical functions (such as
> comment resolution on P&P ballots) outside the Plenary week altogether.
> This then leaves room to move other functions to Sunday. If I were to
> make the line up, I'd say run the opening EC meeting from 2 to 4 PM.
> Have a 1 hour opening plenary from 4:30 PM to 5:30 PM. Have the meet
> and greet. I'd couple it with a short tutorial about 802 afterward for
> those who haven't been to an 802 meeting before which explains basics
> about work flow and attendance and such. I would move the architecture
> meeting to be during the week, and a normal part of 802.1 activities.
> So that's my suggestions. I know the meet and greet would be less well
> attended, but hey that saves us money to. I think it's main purpose
> should be as an introduction for new comers, so I don't see it not being
> well attended as a problem. The key is to activity encourage new
> comings to fly in early for their first Plenary session so as to become
> familiar with the operations of 802.
> Frankly, I don't think we should be making these decisions alone. I
> think we should put together a poll with a couple of key questions along
> the lines that 802.11 did, and see what people say. Another possibility
> we should consider is allowing WG to start their plenary meetings on the
> weekend. It seems some groups may already be looking at that. By the
> way, I know some people that flew in Thursday the week before to prep
> for the actual plenary week.
> Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
> Senior Member Technical Staff
> BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
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> Mat et al -
> If the objective is to fix the problem of inability to converse due to
> noise generated by a large group of people, then moving it to Sunday
> may well be a viable solution, albeit an inequitable one for the reasons
> mentioned by others.
> However, it seems clear that there is no real solution that fixes all of
> the objectives of having a social, so I have to agree with Pat that it
> well past time to pension it off. There was a time when it was a useful
> social gathering and/or opportunity for ritual humiliation of the SEC,
> that time is long gone.
> At 21:36 21/11/2004, Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
>>Mat, et all,
>>I would oppose moving the social to Sunday night ... As Geoff mentioned
> in a
>>message, that would exclude a very large number of participants, due to
>>fact that not everyone arrives on Sunday, or at least many arrive quite
>>Also, while it would free up time on Monday, I would also oppose moving
>>opening EC meeting to Sunday for the same reason. It would mean that
> the EC
>>meeting would, effectively, be less open to attendance by interested
>>>[mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of
>>>Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
>>>Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 6:53 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [802SEC] Socials
>>>An alternative I've raised is the possibility to moving the
>>>Social to Sunday Night as a meet and greet. We can couple it
>>>with an introduction to 802 session. Also, since most of us
>>>are here on Sunday anyway, we can move the opening EC
>>>meetings to Sunday. I'm moving ballot resolution to telecom
>>>so that should make some room.
>>>Just some ideas.
>>>Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
>>>Senior Member Technical Staff
>>>BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
>>>Office: +1 973.633.6344
>>>[mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of Pat
>>>Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 6:30 PM
>>>Subject: [802SEC] Socials
>>>I think we should put the question raised by 802.11 of
>>>whether to continue having socials to our working groups at
>>>the next plenary. On the one hand, I hate to get rid of the
>>>opportunity to meet each other in a less formal setting than
>>>our meetings. On the other hand, as we get larger it isn't
>>>clear that socials are working.
>>>It is becoming increasingly difficult to locate people in
>>>these large gatherings.
>>>The noise level is often so high that conversation is
>>>difficult - a positive feedback loop that results in a hoarse
>>>Because of these factors I know some people don't choose to
>>>attend the social.
>>>The cost seems much higher than the benefit they are
>>>providing - over $30 a head at the last plenary.
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