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Re: [802SEC] FW: Plenary Meeting locations

All the wireless groups already hold a non North America interim meeting at least once a year. 802 should consider holding a non North America plenary at least once a year.

At 08:13 AM 12/15/2004 -0500, Mike Takefman wrote:
Fellow EC Members,

I seem to recall that there was a proposed solution to this
issue (which I believe came from Matt originally, and agreed
to in principle at our all-802 hosted Interim in Vancouver
a year or so ago).

Lets hold one 802-sponsored all-WG interim session each year
outside of North America.

This gives us flexibility to get it done before 2009 or whenever
there are free plenary slots.



Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
I support Mat's proposal.  We need to do this, even if it "costs" more
and I think we need to think in terms of the costs to our non-US
participants who have been footing the bill for travel cost (and time)
here for the meetings.


    [] *On Behalf Of
    *Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
    *Sent:* Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:05 PM
    *Subject:* Re: [802SEC] FW: Plenary Meeting locations


    I?ve been pushing to have more international locations for at least
    8 months now.  The biggest issue I?ve heard is costs.  I really
    don?t want to hear that issue any more.  I think there is a cost
    associated with being an ?International? standards organization, and
    we have to face it.  I voted against some locations at the last
    meeting partly because no international options were presented.  In
    fact, only one option was presented for each session location.  I
    don?t think this is acceptable, and I don?t think we should even
    consider voting on the location of a session unless multiple options
    are available.  Further I think at least one international option
    per session should be presented before we vote to approve a session
    location. I?d also like to see us insist on one international
    plenary a year.  I recognize this will raise costs, and add
    complexity, but I think it is part of the cost of being an
    international standards body, and we have to face it.


    Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
    Senior Member Technical Staff
    Office: +1 973.633.6344


    [] *On Behalf Of *Stuart
    *Sent:* Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:24 PM
    *Subject:* [802SEC] FW: Plenary Meeting locations

    802 ExCom Members,

    I am forwarding the attached email to you all from a member of my
    Working Group (Bruce Kraemer), who raises genuine concerns over the
    locations of future 802 Plenary sessions. He has addressed an issue
    that has been raised that is dear to my heart in connection with our
    recent ISO effort, which respect to our work as an International
    body, and therefore I offer this to you in support, for your
    comments and views.

    I also ask that you add Bruce to your email replies as he is not on
    the ExCom reflector.

    / Stuart


    Stuart J. Kerry

    Chair, IEEE 802.11 WLANs WG

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    *From:* Bruce Kraemer []
    *Sent:* Monday, December 13, 2004 6:10 AM
    *Cc:*;;; Stuart Kerry
    *Subject:* Plenary Meeting locations

    Dear SEC,

       1. I was checking meeting dates and noticed that all of the
          upcoming 802 Plenaries are scheduled for US locations through
          *2009! *(I include Vancouver)

       2. I also noted the following news article last week from China
          Tech News. While highly biased it does illustrate my point.

    *WAPI Proposal Finally Acknowledged By International Organization*
    December 9, 2004

    *After many ups and downs, the Chinese-sponsored WAPI (Wireless LAN
    Authentication and Privacy Infrastructure) standard has seen a new
    twist--it has finally been acknowledged by the International
    Standardization Organization during the ISO/IEC JTC1 SC6 session. *
    WAPI will be pushed within ISO/IEC JTC1 SC6 along with America's
    IEEE 802.11i, and WAPI will be put on the agenda of the SC 6 WG1
    meeting scheduled for February 2005.
    Local reports say that the Chinese delegation successfully made
    their bid by forcing the US side to issue a statement that both WAPI
    and 802.11i can be deployed together.

       3. Although the IEEE 802 may wish to call itself an
          inter-national standards body it has been pointed out many
          times that such a view is not universally held. 802 needs to
          seriously consider changing meeting venues as one means to
          back up the rhetoric. The individual working groups have been
          more proactive in distributing their meeting locations which
          obviously helps but is not sufficient. Please consider
          including inter-national 802 plenary  locations as soon as


    Bruce Kraemer

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