Re: [802SEC] FW: Plenary Meeting locations
IETF meetings that I've been at have always had a local sponser to help with the
costs and logistics.
Some of the meetings
have required use of a convention center with participants spread out through
city hotels. This is what they did in Vienna.
In Yokohama a
convention area was in the same building as the Yokohama Grand-Intercontinental
hotel so it might be possible there to do a meeting more like our traditional
format. The Pan Pacific Hotel is across the street and connected by a pedestrian
walkway for additional hotel rooms. I think the convention center may not be
owned by the hotel so that might not help the financial picture. To keep costs
down the sponsors brought in food (something like one might get from a Japanese
Costco) and staffed the distribution with what looked like college students.
Options like this would require a local sponsor at least for logistics even if
they aren't helping to fund. When we met in Enschede (sp?) we also had local
If we want to enable
an international plenary, perhaps we should put out a call for organizations to
suggest venues and help with local logistics.
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I couldn't agree with you
more, and I am glad to see that at last, after pushing to have more
international locations for at least 10 years now, others as well as myself
are campaigning for them as well.
The other issues that get trotted
out with monotonous regularity are about finding suitable venues (large
enough, networking facilities...etc); I'm getting thoroughly fed up of hearing
those too. I simply don't believe that setting up international venues, even
for an organization of the size we have become, is an impossible task; if we
have the will and commitment to do it then I have no doubt that we will
suddenly discover that there are locations where it can and will work just
fine. Other organizations (the IETF for one) manage to find suitable overseas
locations. It may well make the exercise more expensive; if so, then we should
recognize that as the cost of doing business.
As you rightly say, there
is a cost to making international standards; one of those costs is that, as an
organization, we have to be seen to be operating in a non-US centric way, and
organize ourselves accordingly. The potential consequences, if we fail to do
that, can be seen in the recent issues over 802.11 security - we will suddenly
find that what we fondly consider to be "our" business is being done
elsewhere, and there won't be a thing we can do about
At 04:05 15/12/2004, Sherman, Matthew
J. (US SSA) wrote:
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I've been pushing to have more international
locations for at least 8 months now. The biggest issue I've heard is
costs. I really don't want to hear that issue any more. I think
there is a cost associated with being an "International" standards
organization, and we have to face it. I voted against some locations
at the last meeting partly because no international options were
presented. In fact, only one option was presented for each session
location. I don't think this is acceptable, and I don't think we
should even consider voting on the location of a session unless multiple
options are available. Further I think at least one international
option per session should be presented before we vote to approve a session
location. I'd also like to see us insist on one international plenary a
year. I recognize this will raise costs, and add complexity, but I
think it is part of the cost of being an international standards body, and
we have to face it.
Senior Member Technical Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com] On
Behalf Of Stuart Kerry
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:24
FW: Plenary Meeting locations
802 ExCom Members,
I am forwarding the
attached email to you all from a member of my Working Group (Bruce Kraemer),
who raises genuine concerns over the locations of future 802 Plenary
sessions. He has addressed an issue that has been raised that is dear to my
heart in connection with our recent ISO effort, which respect to our work as
an International body, and therefore I offer this to you in support, for
your comments and views.
I also ask that you add Bruce to your
email replies as he is not on the ExCom reflector.
Stuart J. Kerry
Chair, IEEE 802.11 WLANs
Philips Semiconductors, Inc.
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San Jose, CA
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Monday, December 13, 2004 6:10 AM
firstname.lastname@example.org; email@example.com; Stuart
Subject: Plenary Meeting locations
- I was checking meeting dates and noticed that all of the upcoming 802
Plenaries are scheduled for US locations through 2009! (I include
- I also noted the following news article last week from China Tech
News. While highly biased it does illustrate my point.
WAPI Proposal Finally
Acknowledged By International OrganizationAfter many ups and downs, the Chinese-sponsored WAPI
(Wireless LAN Authentication and Privacy Infrastructure) standard has seen a
new twist--it has finally been acknowledged by the International
Standardization Organization during the ISO/IEC JTC1 SC6 session.
WAPI will be pushed within ISO/IEC JTC1 SC6 along with America's
IEEE 802.11i, and WAPI will be put on the agenda of the SC 6 WG1 meeting
scheduled for February 2005.
Local reports say that the Chinese
delegation successfully made their bid by forcing the US side to issue a
statement that both WAPI and 802.11i can be deployed together.
- Although the IEEE 802 may wish to call itself an
inter-national standards body it has been pointed out many times that such
a view is not universally held. 802 needs to seriously consider changing
meeting venues as one means to back up the rhetoric. The individual
working groups have been more proactive in distributing their meeting
locations which obviously helps but is not sufficient. Please consider
including inter-national 802 plenary locations as soon as