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Re: [802SEC] Of Ballots and Telecons....



Matt -

Because of my schedule, it would need to finish before 5pm on a Friday (and preferably earlier than that). However, that clearly gives the West Coast a problem. (Although I'm afraid the real problem is attempting to use telecons at all - see below).

Any other day of the week (Mon through Thurs) I wouldn't have a problem with the timings you propose, as I am often still working at that time, although my preference would be to shift them back 1/2 hour to finish by 6PM UK time.

In my view, if we think we are going to be credible as an International SDO, we had better not get entrenched in *any* working pattern that effectively disenfranchises participation outside of the North American timezones. For this reason, I don't believe that telecons are a generally acceptable tool - as a means of dealing with "firefighting" type problems (such as the discussions around 802.11/Chinese delegation), they have their place, but I have to say I am concerned about their increasing use for transacting "normal" business, both in SEC and the WGs. At some point in the future, we may well have SEC members from Australasia (for example) that are going to find it totally impossible to participate in such meetings; we must already have that problem with the present WG use of telecons. I am therefore surprised that we haven't already seen pushback in (for example) 802.11, where they are in frequent use at the moment.

Regards,
Tony

At 14:31 08/01/2005, Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) wrote:
Tony,
 
Because of my work schedule Iím trying to find something on Friday.  Iím open to other suggestions.  The problem is the west coast.  Iím also open to an alternating schedule.  It is early enough I can still change the time of the announce meeting.  Please suggestÖ.
 
Thanks,
 
Mat
 

Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com

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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Of Ballots and Telecons....
 
Mat -

Slight problem with the time zone calcs there - it is Fridays, 4:30 - 6:30 UK time, but that doesn't help me much. Still a very unfriendly time for me.

Regards,
Tony

At 08:46 08/01/2005, Tony Jeffree wrote:

Mat -

In the spirit of internationalization that seems to be high in our consciousness at the moment, I strongly object to your choice of time for telecons (that works out as Friday, 6:30PM through 8:30 PM UK time), which is a maximally unfriendly time for me, being well after normal working hours at the start of a weekend. If the timing remains there, my chances of making any of these telecons is very slim indeed, so I regard that choice as effectively disenfranchising me from the process.

Regards,
Tony



 

At 05:38 08/01/2005, Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) wrote:


Folks,

I realize Iím pummeling everyone with all these ballots and telecons.  I do want to be as accommodating as possible.  For various reasons, Fridays work out best for me to hold these meetings.  I chose lunch time because I felt it was a reasonable compromise between all the time zones. I am open to other times if people feel they would work better.  Please let me know if there are preferences.

One last point.  I notice that some EC members seem never to participate in the P&P revision process.  I was hoping that the telecom format would ease that issue somewhat.  Iíve also suggested sending delegates to the comment resolution to help ease the load.  If people chose not to participate, I think itís bad but I can accept it.  What I really donít want is that we spend months discussing things and resolving things and then someone who didnít participate in the process objects at the final vote.  I am hoping that people who choose not to participate will give those that did the benefit of the doubt and not block their work when the final vote comes. I am also open to other ideas for making the process more convenient and easier for everyone.  Right now, this is the best I can come up with given the goals we have set. Please let me know if you have comments on the process.

Regards,

Mat

Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.

Senior Member Technical Staff

BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR

Office: +1 973.633.6344

email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com

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Regards,
Tony
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