Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ EC Voting Rules
Title: +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ EC Voting Rules
Disapprove,
The primary issue is
the suspension for cause addition to 7.1.7. It is unnecessary and invites
trouble. If the LMSC chair ever took such an action the chair would be at risk
of getting sued. In the case of working group chairs it is giving the LMSC chair
an ability to overturn the working group's election of chair. So even
if the suspended member didn't choose to sue, the working group might. I also
find it difficult to believe that there will be a case where there was strong
enough evidence of cause to take this action. If it is absolutely clear
that there was extreme misbehavior, the member could probably be convinced
to resign. Therefore I don't think we should make this addition. If there
is such a provision added, it should require a written complaint to the
executive committee and a vote by a supermajority of the Exec.
7.1.7 Are
abstentions counted in the denominator is listed as an issue. While I believe
that is usually what is meant by a "simple majority" is Yes greater than No, but
I'm not sure everyone will agree. I have looked in a number of sources and the
definition is hard to come by so if we are going to use it we should include
"(i.e. more members voting yes than voting no)". Shouldn't this stated more
explicitly? By the way, if we are going to use this term than we could use the
term "absolute majority" for what our email ballots require (an absolute
majority requires the affirmative vote of more than half the members).
7.1.7.2.1 I don't
see a compelling reason for this change. There has been at least one instance
where we did extend a ballot due to poor turnout. Not allowing extension
could leave us in a difficult postion if a ballot failed due to being sent out
at a bad time. For example, what if there is an urgent motion to resolve a
logistical problem with an upcoming meeting and it fails due to lack of
participation? Is there a method to move to reconsider? Can a member who didn't
vote be considered to have voted with the prevailing side (since not voting and
voting No have the same effect) and thus be qualified to move to reconsider?
Instead of having to do this, I suggest that we leave it in the judgement of the
chair or the chair's designee to determine whether to extend a ballot that has
failed due to lack of participation. This comment is also a reason for my
disapprove.
7.1.6.5 overlaps the
text being balloted on P&P update and doesn't match what was circulated in
that ballot. Please remove it from this ballot and handle the changes to the
section in the P&P ballot. Editiorial non-binding comment: Here Executive
Committee has been left fully spelled out where in other sections you replaced
it with EC and in the new text you have "Committee member" without Executive.
Editorial
comments:
7.1.7, it appears
you have "majority majority".
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[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG]On Behalf Of Sherman,
Matthew J. (US SSA)
Sent: Friday, 07 January, 2005 8:55
PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] +++
LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ EC Voting Rules
Dear EC
members,
Attached you will find the
text for an LMSC P&P revision ballot on
EC Voting Rules. This ballot was approved at the Friday November 19, 2004 EC meeting. The text is
identical to that presented at the meeting. The purpose and rationale
for the ballot are as given in the attached ballot
document.
Ballot Duration:
1/8/2005
- 2/8/2005 @ 11:59 PM
EST
WG/TAG chairs, please
distribute this P&P revision ballot to your
groups, and invite them to comment through
you.
Thanks &
Regards,
Mat
<<802.0-EC_Voting_Rules-P&P_Revision_ballot.pdf>>
Matthew Sherman,
Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical
Staff
BAE SYSTEMS,
CNIR
Office: +1
973.633.6344
email:
matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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