Re: [802SEC] +++++++++ P&P Ballot Resolution Telecom Notice +++++++++++++
I have used WebEx (with the service provided by Boeing) on the IEEE-USA CCIP
meetings.
I did not make the arrangements, I was just a user, but the WebEx client
installed in a couple of minutes on my machine (running XP) and worked fine
through my PC firewall (Norton Internet Security 2005, running tight
settings) and the NAT and firewall functions in my router.
I don't know what the service costs.
Carl
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Pat Thaler
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 9:20 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++++++++ P&P Ballot Resolution Telecom
> Notice +++++++++++++
>
> NetMeeting probably isn't the right solution anyway.
>
> What about WebEx? I have seen it used for a number of
> meetings with a diverse enough crew that someone was probably on XP.
>
> The messengers won't work for me (firewalls and corporate
> security concerns).
>
> Pat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Jeffree [mailto:tony@jeffree.co.uk]
> Sent: Monday, 10 January, 2005 4:38 PM
> To: pat_thaler@AGILENT.COM
> Cc: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++++++++ P&P Ballot Resolution Telecom Notice
> +++++++++++++
>
>
> Pat -
>
> NetMeeting is not supported on Win XP. I just downloaded &
> attempted to install it from the MS website and the installer
> tells me "This version not supported on this OS".
>
> So for me it would have to be MS or Yahoo messenger.
>
> Regards,
> Tony
>
> At 19:48 10/01/2005, Pat Thaler wrote:
> >Matt,
> >
> >I may have been wrong about NetMeeting. We were probably using WebEx.
> >Internally Agilent uses both so I got the two confused. With
> WebEx the
> >meeting is hosted at an external website that all the
> attendees can access.
> >
> >Regards,
> >Pat
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> >[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org]On
> >Behalf Of Mike Takefman
> >Sent: Monday, 10 January, 2005 10:20 AM
> >To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> >Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++++++++ P&P Ballot Resolution Telecom Notice
> >+++++++++++++
> >
> >
> >Matt,
> >
> >I don't know how well the clients deal with text that is
> coloured that
> >is cut and pasted, but I'll try some experiments. In our case, we do
> >have the docs that have been distributed and what we tend to
> share is
> >final versions of text without colours or any extraneous cross-outs
> >etc. I find that easier to read personally.
> >
> >Pat,
> >
> >I'm willing to try anything, although when you used
> netmeeting did you
> >call out or did someone call in? We certainly use it
> internal to cisco.
> >
> >That being said, if I am on the Cisco wireless network, my
> IP address
> >is a local one (10.X.Y.Z) so no one can call me, but I believe I can
> >call outside.
> >
> >Therefore, if someone has a global address, they can try hosting the
> >meeting and others could dial into them.
> >
> >mike
> >
> >Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) wrote:
> > > Mike / All,
> > >
> > > I'm appreciating the dialogue. One concern I have is that we are
> > > often dealing with multi-colored text. It would be nice to share
> > > actual documents. Do the text services you mention allow
> formatted text?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Mat
> > >
> > > Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
> > > Senior Member Technical Staff
> > > BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
> > > Office: +1 973.633.6344
> > > email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> > > [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Mike Takefman
> > > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 8:17 AM
> > > To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> > > Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++++++++ P&P Ballot Resolution
> Telecom Notice
> > > +++++++++++++
> > >
> > > I don't care what the client is. The advantage of
> Messenger (either
> > > yahoo or msn) is that it is relayed. Netmeeting requires that we
> > > know the IP address of everyone in the call, and many corporate
> > > firewalls would make that impossible.
> > >
> > > mike
> > >
> > > Carl R. Stevenson wrote:
> > >
> > >>While I see value in Mike's proposal, I would prefer to use MS
> > >
> > > Messenger or
> > >
> > >>Netmeeting, rather than anything hosted through Yahoo ...
> > >>
> > >>1) I don't want to have to install yet another IM client
> > >>2) I have heard reports of onerously prying cookies, etc.
> > >>
> > >>Carl
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org
> > >>>[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Mike Takefman
> > >>>Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 11:00 PM
> > >>>To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> > >>>Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++++++++ P&P Ballot Resolution Telecom
> > >>>Notice +++++++++++++
> > >>>
> > >>>Mat,
> > >>>
> > >>>while I have no objection to continuing to persue P&P resolution
> > >>>via teleconference I recognize the difficulty in
> scheduling around
> > >>>all of the participants schedules and I hope we can find a
> > >>>reasonable common time.
> > >>>
> > >>>I would personally like to see 1 major change to the methodology.
> > >>>
> > >>>When .17 has teleconference calls, we use Yahoo
> Messenger to create
> > >>>a text conference room for all participants. This allows the
> > >>>moderator or commenter to cut and paste their proposed
> text for all
> > >>>to see. We are able to achieve concensus on word smithing issues
> > >>>far quicker since people can actually read the proposed text.
> > >>>
> > >>>In the case of a poor bridge, IM also allows, a method for a
> > >>>participant to object or request the floor. Some bridges
> I've been
> > >>>on (with many participants) do not mix the signals well
> and tend to
> > >>>give the "loudest" speaker the floor, drowning out other voices.
> > >>>
> > >>>Yahoo Messenger is free, and most (but not all)
> corporations allow
> > >>>it to pass through their firewalls. All that is required is that
> > >>>the moderator have all of the participants on his
> contact list so
> > >>>that he/she can create the conference room and add
> people as they
> > >>>arrive.
> > >>>
> > >>>cheers,
> > >>>
> > >>>mike
> > >>
> > >>
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> > > Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
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> >Distinguished Engineer, Cisco Systems
> >Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
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> Regards,
> Tony
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