Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ WG Voting Rules
There is both ambiguity and uncertainty around WG interim sessions
because of the quorum requirement. One problem is that there is no
clear definition of quorum. Do we count the number of members
registered or attending some part of the session? Or do we count the
number of people in a room at a given time? Also, what about the
tradition in some WGs of authorizing a future interim session to act,
with or without a quorum? The status of this tradition is ambiguous.
The uncertainty comes from the fact that a WG cannot effectively plan
its work and meet its deadlines if it doesn't know whether it will be
able to make decisions at a meeting.
Yes, I am definitely proposing a change. But we are looking at a
piece of the P&P that justifies itself in detail: "No quorum is
required at meetings held in conjunction with the Plenary session
since the Plenary session time and place is established well in
advance." I am suggesting that the same logic apply to interim
sessions. If their time and place is established well in advance,
then they ought to be subject to the same logic and the same rule.
The bias toward plenary sessions is unfair to the many WGs who meet
on a regular basis, six times a year, and plan to progress their work
each time. This whole issue is exacerbated by the fact that the
plenary sessions are not geographically distributed. I think it's
high time for us to fix the P&P to stop discriminating against
interim WG meetings.
At 14:42 -0700 2005-02-09, <email@example.com> wrote:
>I don't see any ambiguity around the existing section:
>No quorum is required at a plenary, a quorum is reqired at all interims.
>The suggested remedy would be a change. It would allow some interims
>to avoid any quorum requirement. I don't agree with that change.
>From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com]On
>Behalf Of Roger B. Marks
>Sent: Tuesday, 08 February, 2005 9:33 PM
>Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ WG Voting Rules
>Disapprove, with this comment:
>*In 126.96.36.199.1, it is time to end the ambiguity and uncertainty around
>WG interim sessions resulting from the statement "No quorum is
>required at meetings held in conjunction with the Plenary session
>since the Plenary session time and place is established well in
>advance. A quorum is required at other Working Group meetings. The
>Working Group Chair may vote at meetings. A quorum is at least
>one-half of the Working Group members." The sentences are also out of
>Remedy: Change the quote above to "The Working Group Chair may vote
>on all Working Group issues. No quorum is required at meetings, such
>as those held in conjunction with the Plenary session, whose session
>time and place are established at least six months in advance.
>Otherwise, a quorum is required; this may be established by the
>attendance at the session by at least half of the membership."
>At 00:02 -0500 2005-01-08, Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) wrote:
>>Dear EC members,
>>Attached you will find the text for an LMSC P&P revision ballot on
>>WG Voting Rules. This ballot was approved at the Friday November 19,
>>2004 EC meeting. The text is identical to that presented at the
>>meeting. The purpose and rationale for the ballot are as given in
>>the attached ballot document.
>>Ballot Duration: 1/8/2005 - 2/8/2005 @ 11:59 PM EST
>>WG/TAG chairs, please distribute this P&P revision ballot to your
>>groups, and invite them to comment through you.
>>Thanks & Regards,
>>Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
>>Senior Member Technical Staff
>>BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
>>Office: +1 973.633.6344
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