Re: [802SEC] Tentative tally: P&P Revision Ballot - Clause 7.5 - Balloting Groups
Since Geoff doesn't have a vote, I will stand in support of
comments and his proposed wording modification below.
I believe that what Tony is trying to accomplish with this
proposed P&P revision is a good and appropriate thing (I believe I seconded
the motion to bring this to ballot ...)
I also believe that Bob Grow's proposed language, as
strengthened by Geoff's suggestion, is a clear and explicit way of accomplishing
what I understood to be Tony's intent and what I support.
Thus, like Pat, I would vote approve, conditioned on
the acceptance of Bob Grow's suggested changes, as improved by Geoff's comments
below.
Regards,
Carl
Colleagues-
Though I do not have a vote I would concur with
the addition of text as asked for by Bob Grow. I would further ask that the
text be beefed up from:
- 3. LMSC projects are balloted by individuals. No LMSC PAR
may be submitted to NesCom specifying any other method of sponsor balloting
unless approved in advance by the EC.
To:
- 3. LMSC projects are balloted by individuals. No LMSC PAR
may be submitted to NesCom specifying any other method of sponsor balloting
unless approved in advance by a specific vote of the EC taken in session at
an 802 plenary.
Rationale:
I think that putting a PAR
forward on other than an individual basis is a sufficiently serious matter
that it should not be done by a mail ballot of the EC. It should only happen
after the matter has been thoroughly vetted in the several Working Groups at
an 802 plenary with the resulting vote taking place at the closing EC meeting.
(I trust the process enough to believe that if it came up on Monday that it
would get tabled until Friday.)
Thank you for your
consideration.
Geoff
At 01:37 PM 4/13/2005 -0600, Pat Thaler
wrote:
I can approve with the changes Bob suggests.
Otherwise I would have to disapprove.
The IEEE-SA rules and
proceedures for ballot group formation have shifted over time. I wouldn't
want to have to track future changes in our rules. We should therefore
include their process by reference rather than attempting to describe
it.
Regards,
Pat
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Tentative tally:
P&P Revision Ballot - Clause 7.5
- Balloting Groups
In
hindsight, I hit send too quickly. I probably deleted
some
worthwhile information from 7.5 while focusing too much on
the
individual balloting issue. A complete 7.5 would read (with a
slight
modification to my previous recommended text):
7.5
Balloting Group for Sponsor balots
All members of the Sponsor Balloting
Groups shall meet the requirements
of IEEE-SA for participation.
Any inclusion of invited experts shall be
approved by the EC in addition
to any approvals required by IEEE-SA.
The type of balloting of the
invitation to Sponsor Ballot shall be
consistent with the approved PAR
for the project.
My recommended changes to 17 remains the same,
inserting a numbered item
3:
3. LMSC projects are balloted
by individuals. No LMSC PAR may be
submitted to NesCom specifying
any other method of sponsor balloting
unless approved in advance by the
EC.
-----Original Message-----
From:
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[mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf
Of Tony Jeffree
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 8:48 AM
To:
STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] Tentative tally: P&P
Revision Ballot - Clause 7.5 -
Balloting Groups
Tentative
tally:
Vote
categories: DIS
DNV APP ABS
-------------------------------------------------
01 Mat
Sherman
DNV
02 Pat
Thaler
DNV
03 Buzz
Rigsbee
DNV
04 Bob
O'Hara
DNV
05 John
Hawkins
DNV
06 Tony
Jeffree
APP
07 Bob
Grow
DNV
08 Stuart
Kerry
DNV
09 Bob
Heile
DNV
10 Roger
Marks
DNV
11 Mike
Takefman
DNV
12 Mike
Lynch
DNV
13 Steve
Shellhammer
DNV
14 Jerry
Upton
DNV
15 Ajay
Rajkumar
DNV
16 Carl
Stevenson
DNV
17 Paul
Nikolich
DIS
---++++---+++++---++++---
TOTALS
DIS DNV APP
ABS
-16-
total: -01- -15- -01-
-00-
===========================================
As per
the motion passed in the closing EC meeting last Friday, find
attached
the P&P revision ballot for the existing text of Clause 7.5
to
clarify the membership requirements for Sponsor balloting
groups.
This ballot closes on 21st April
2005.
Regards,
Tony
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