Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for Network Equipment Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005

["Rigsbee, Everett O" <everett.o.rigsbee@BOEING.COM>]

Pat,  Actually, I am keeping track of those who approve the entire motion and of those who only approve the 11a radio acquisition separately, so you could say I have already divided the question and most EC members don't seem to be shy about saying they approve this and disapprove that.  That being said, I believe it was you who observed that the value in adding the 11a radio modules is for the most part lost if we do not see a significant movement of our attendees to the use of that already under utilized facility.  So the point of the dual motion was to increase the 11a coverage and encourage a migration to the 11a sub-nets to actually make a difference in congestion levels.  Since very few, I think, would go into their own pocket to upgrade their employer's machine (even if it were permitted), and getting approval to do short-term upgrades with their company footing the bill is always difficult because it's like asking them to admit they bought the wrong stuff.  So a free!
 bie upgrade is actually a pretty good compromise.  They take the responsibility and we subsidize the cost, and everybody benefits.  

And if you like that one, I also have some property in Florida you'll want to hear about ....      :-)  

Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
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-----Original Message-----
From: pat_thaler@agilent.com [mailto:pat_thaler@agilent.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 12:14 PM
To: Rigsbee, Everett O; STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for Network Equipment Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005


Buzz,

I don't think that one can vote for half an email motion. If we were at a meeting I would make a motion to divide the question of funding the module purchase and the investigation of cards and I would make a motion to amend the module purchase to put an upper dollar limit on it. With an email motion, we started voting right away without a chance to do that.

I'm willing to authorize $6K for IEEE 802 to acquire the .11a modules for our access points. I'm not willing to vote to authorize an investigation, but I also don't think you need such a vote to do the investigation and at least you have information now on the concerns that would arise.

May I remind you that your email said:
>VeriLAN, will hand out the new cards and provide support for those 
>wishing
>to upgrade,

"providing support for those wishing to upgrade" goes a lot farther than advising people that they many need an upgrade. Perhaps you only intended to mean that VeriLAN would only give out information about the need to upgrade, but that isn't how it reads so don't stomp on those of us who read "provide support" as more broad than that. 

I suggest we start out with a step of advising people about what they can do: Add a link on the registration page to some advice on wireless configuration including noting that our .11a capacity is less populated and encouraging people to use that where possible. Also suggestions on other features that we expect attendees will find useful for them or better for our overall network performance - e.g. the security protocols that we expect to operate and the feature that listens for power advisories.

Regards,
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: Rigsbee, Everett O [mailto:everett.o.rigsbee@BOEING.COM] 
Sent: Tuesday, 26 July, 2005 11:00 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email Ballot+++ Motion for Network Equipment Upgradesl+++ends 19 August 2005

Geoff,  The BIOS Upgrade is provided and certified by Dell, and VeriLAN is merely advising you that with that model of computer without the upgrade you are likely to experience some of the problems to which Matt has alluded.  If you don't think your company would approve of you using Dell's BIOS Upgrade facility to fix the known bug, then you should refrain from doing it and installing the Tri-Mode card.  Where's the problem ???  

VeriLAN's role is support-only.  They would advise you of things to check before attempting the install, any things to watch out for during the install, and suggest some remedies if you should experience a problem.  They do not "mess with your machine."  OK ???  Are we clear on that now ???

Thanx,  Buzz
Dr. Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Boeing - SSG
PO Box 3707, M/S: 7M-FM
Seattle, WA  98124-2207
(425) 865-2443    Fx: (425) 865-6721
Cell: (425) 417-1022
everett.o.rigsbee@boeing.com

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