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[802SEC] EC Membership and voting

Dear EC members,

The right to cast an EC vote is held by specific EC members is defined in 
the P&P.  Gaining EC membership is defined in the P&P.

I don't understand the kerfuffle surrounding this topic.  In my view nothing 
is broken in the P&P on this topic--let's not try to fix it.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pat Thaler" <pat_thaler@AGILENT.COM>
To: <>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [802SEC] EC Membership and voting

> And here is the message with my view on the subject:
> The rules are clear. The voting position on the Exec belongs to the 
> Working Group chair (once confirmed or appointed).
> If you want to change that, it would require a rules change. I would be 
> against such a rules change. I think consistency/continuity in our 
> membership is important. If it was officially stated that the vote could 
> be used by a vice chair in place of the chair, I'm concerned that Chairs 
> might fairly regularly send their vice chair to the EC in their place 
> which would lose continuity.
> With the rules as they are, we get very good Working Group Chair 
> attendance.
> By the way, I also think that if we must continue this discussion, it 
> should move to the EC reflector where it is visible. We have drifted well 
> off the contract matters that required private discussion.
> Regards,
> Pat
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob O'Hara (boohara) [mailto:boohara@CISCO.COM]
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 1:32 PM
> To:
> Subject: [802SEC] EC Membership and voting
> Taking this to the reflector for more open discussion of the issue.
> This is a very important issue and needs to be discussed.  I don't think
> that precedent is sufficient to "decide" this matter.
> I disagree with all that have said that membership on the EC is held by
> an individual.  It is not.  Membership in 802 is a right held by
> individual.  Membership on the EC is held by a position.  No individual
> is selected by any means for membership on the EC.  Individual 802
> members are selected for a position, either by their WG/TAG or by
> confirmation of an appointment by the LMSC chair.  It is the position
> that holds the voting right on the EC, not the individual.  Clause 7.1.2
> in the P&P is very clear on this point.
> A simple example will serve to illustrate this.  I am currently the
> Recording Secretary and able to vote in the EC.  If I were to resign
> that position, even though I am still an individual member of 802 and
> 802.11, I would no longer be able to vote in the EC.  The confirmation
> of my appointment to the position of Recording Secretary made me able to
> vote, not the fact that I, as an individual, was confirmed as an
> abstract "member of the EC".
> The P&P discuss "succession" in only one specific case, when an election
> or appointment is not confirmed by the EC.  It does not apply to this
> situation.
> If a WG/TAG chair has their own P&P allow them the power to appoint
> someone to act in their absence or incapacity and our P&P are silent on
> the topic, is that appointed person now the "chair" for all intents and
> purposes under our P&P?
> I would say we are in an ambiguous situation.  Precedent may make one
> feel comfortable.  But, it is not a defense for an appeal and it is not
> sufficient to close this issue.
> Personally, I think that an elected chair should be able to have their
> WG/TAG represented on the EC in their absence or incapacity.  Why would
> we want anything different?  Do we really want to silence a WG of more
> than 500 voting members, simply because the chair is on vacation?
> -Bob
> Bob O'Hara
> Cisco Systems - WNBU
> Phone:  +1 408 853 5513
> Mobile: +1 408 218 4025
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