Re: [802SEC] Current Resolution on the 'WG Membership & Meetings' P&P Revision Ballot

["Mike Takefman (tak)" <tak@CISCO.COM>]

Tony, 

I railed at that particular bit of text (.17 has never needed
WG P&P), but I was told this requirement was coming from the
SA and we wouldn't have a choice about it in a few months.
When the time comes, rest assured that .17 will do the minimum
required in terms of WG P&P: Rule 1, there is no rule 1. Rule 2
see rule 1.

I also agree that we should have a consistent methodology
for holding elections and more so, to have a methodology
that brings to light any irregularities that might occur.

cheers,

mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Jeffree [mailto:tony@JEFFREE.CO.UK] 
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 9:09 AM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Current Resolution on the 'WG 
> Membership & Meetings' P&P Revision Ballot
> 
> Mat -
> 
> I will not be able to support these changes - unfortunate, 
> because there is much in here that I do support and would 
> like to see approved ASAP.
> 
> However, somewhere in this process, we seem to have acquired 
> an implicit requirement for WGs to establish their own 
> separate P&P - from 7.2.2:
> 
> "WG election procedures shall be defined within the WG P&P. 
> Prior to their establishment, election procedures must be 
> reviewed and approved by the EC before implementation."
> 
> and
> 
> "The Officers of the WG defined in the WG P&P shall 
> constitute a Working Group Executive Committee (WGEC) as 
> referenced elsewhere in this P&P."
> 
> We've managed to operate very effectively in 802.1 for >22 
> years without having to spend valuable meeting time on the 
> development of formal WG policies and procedures; it ain't 
> broke and it don't need fixing.
> 
> If we need to document procedures for conducting WG officer 
> elections, there is absolutely no good reason why they 
> shouldn't be made consistent across 802, and therefore they 
> are better enshrined in the 802 P&P rather than forcing the 
> WGs to create another level of rules documentation to no very 
> good purpose.
> 
> If this particular aspect of the rules change is included and 
> approved in November, it will effectively disallow any WG 
> that doesn't have established P&P for electing officers 
> (including 802.3, for example, who defer to the
> 802 P&P on this point) from conducting officer elections. 
> That is, I believe, unacceptable, as establishing WG P&P 
> either from scratch or as a set of changes to existing WG P&P 
> can be (as we have found in this series of changes) a lengthy 
> and in some cases, non-terminating, process.
> 
> If the two paragraphs quoted above remain in the document I 
> will have to vote against this set of changes.
> 
> Regards,
> Tony
> 
> At 03:08 02/10/2005, Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) wrote:
> >Folks,
> >
> >
> >
> >We had a pretty good turn out for the last P&P meeting, and I felt 
> >there was a fair amount of consensus.  Attached please find 
> the current 
> >resolution on the 'WG Membership and Meetings' P&P revision 
> ballot.  If 
> >you feel you cannot support the changes in this document, 
> let me know.
> >
> >
> >
> >Note - I still need to update the document to reflect the approved 
> >changes from last plenary.  I prefer to wait till I get a 
> final version 
> >of the approved updates from SA before doing any further 
> editing.  But 
> >I will rewrite this revision against the updated P&P prior to the 
> >November plenary for clarity.
> >
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> >Mat
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
> >Senior Member Technical Staff
> >BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
> >Office: +1 973.633.6344
> >email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Regards,
> Tony
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