Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ WG Plenary

["Mike Takefman (tak)" <tak@CISCO.COM>]

I like Rogers wording, and I'm fine with 1 year 
although perhaps we need a little bit of fuzzyness
around the timeframe to make it operationally reasonable
and I would change the timeframe to 336 days. Which is
48 weeks.

Consider a group that has an interim that was pre-announced
for over a year and is held January 16-19, 2006. At that
session they announce that January 15-18, 2006 will be an
interim session. Ooops, they missed the deadline for
announcement by 1 day (assuming a year is the required
minimum. Having done a small amount of meeting planning
I think 48 weeks is close enough to 1 year to allow
for yearly shifts in meeting weeks without diluting
the idea of a long announcement period.

I'd also be willing to lower the window somewhat more, but
in my view, the minimum window of pre-announcement is
3 plenary sessions. So if during the plenary of March
2006 the annoucement is made and posted to the website
then its ok to have a "no quorum" interim session between
November and March 2007. That means you have an minimum window
of 8 months, but is more likely 10 months given that
interims are generally put 1/2 way between plenaries.

I would vote disapprove on any change that had a window any less
then 3 plenary sessions.

cheers, 

mike
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Michael Takefman              tak@cisco.com
Distinguished Engineer,       Cisco Systems
Chair IEEE 802.17 Stds WG
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl R. Stevenson [mailto:wk3c@WK3C.COM] 
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 1:15 PM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ WG Plenary
> 
> I still vote disapprove, but I am inclined to support Roger's 
> suggestion, which I think is elegant in its simplicity, with 
> the following suggested
> change:
> 
> I think that a year's notice may be a bit onerous for 
> interims and wonder whether 6 months might be adequate notice.
> In my view, knowing 6 months in advance that an interim was 
> going to be held and where seems to certainly be enough time 
> to allow someone to plan to attend if they want to participate ...
> 
> Regards,
> Carl
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roger B. Marks [mailto:r.b.marks@ieee.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:02 PM
> > To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> > Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++ LMSC P&P Revision Ballot +++ WG Plenary
> > 
> > I vote Disapprove. I will change my vote to Approve provided the 
> > following changes are made:
> > 
> > (1) Eliminate all of the P&P changes proposed in the ballot.
> > 
> > (2) Specify that, in subclause 7.2.4.2.1 "Voting at Meeting," 
> > immediate after the sentence:
> > 
> > "No quorum is required at meetings held in conjunction with the 
> > Plenary session since the Plenary session time and place is 
> > established well in advance."
> > 
> > the following sentence shall be added:
> > 
> > "Likewise, no quorum is required at interim sessions provided that 
> > their time and place are established and publicly announced 
> at least 
> > one year in advance and that this information is readily 
> available to 
> > the public during that year."
> > 
> > Roger
> > 
> > 
> > At 10:34 PM -0500 06/01/02, Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) wrote:
> > >Dear EC members,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Attached you will find the text for an LMSC P&P revision
> > ballot titled
> > >'WG Plenary'. This ballot was approved at the Friday
> > November 18, 2005
> > >EC meeting. The text is identical to that presented at the
> > meeting (but
> > >for one minor typo that has been corrected).  The purpose
> > and rationale
> > >for the ballot are as given in the attached ballot document.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Ballot Duration:  1/2/2005 - 2/2/2005 @ 11:59 PM EST
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >WG/TAG chairs, please distribute this P&P revision ballot to your 
> > >groups, and invite them to comment through you. Please direct any 
> > >comments on this revision to the reflector for collection.
> > Note that I
> > >intend to hold a comment resolution telecon for this ballot
> > on 2/9/05 @
> > >12 PM EST.  Further details will follow.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Thanks & Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Mat
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
> > >Senior Member Technical Staff
> > >BAE SYSTEMS, CNIR
> > >Office: +1 973.633.6344
> > >email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
> > >
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