Re: [802SEC] "Get IEEE 802" comments
Our discount rate and fees last time I checked are below the amounts
quoted below for our registration merchant account. Part of that low
rate is because of the large average transaction amount, but even if the
transaction amount is small, discount and fees are only a fraction of
the $25 charged to IEEE-SA for fulfillment. Any of you can do the math
on one of John's financial reports to see what our credit card
processing costs are now. The credit card discount and fees are not the
problem here.
As was discussed at the 802 Chair's meeting on this topic, the problem
is an IEEE policy that mandates that IEEE-SA use an internal resource
for fulfillment that carries a charge $25. I have no idea if the $25 is
the real cost of the service or even the burdened cost, or if there is
significant margin in the $25 charge that flows to IEEE. If I recall
the discussion correctly, using any other service requires approval of
the IEEE board.
IEEE-SA staff heard plenty of complaint and suggestions for alternative
services during the Chair's meeting. The challenge isn't to find an
economical way to do fulfillment on pdf sales, it is to get
acknowledgement and action from IEEE that the current internal service
and rate is not competitive and IEEE needs to change policy so that
IEEE-SA can be competitive.
--Bob Grow
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Alfvin [mailto:alfvin@ieee.org]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 6:56 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] "Get IEEE 802" comments
If that is the source of the charge, I can offer up links to well
establsihed credit card processing services that charge a transaction
fee of
$0.30 plus 2.9% of the charge. This would reduce the fee from $25 to
$0.45
per transaction.
On 3/15/06, Harry Worstell <hworstell@research.att.com> wrote:
>
> Carl,
>
> The $25 cost is the processing fee for the credit
> card for the $5 down load.
>
> Harry
>
>
> Harry R. Worstell
> Sr. Technical Specialist
> Communications Technology Research
> AT&T Labs - Shannon Laboratory
> Vice Chair, IEEE 802.11 Working Group
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carl R. Stevenson [mailto:wk3c@WK3C.COM]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 3:58 AM
> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] "Get IEEE 802" comments
>
> I don't think it's acceptable to increase our participants' cost for
> supporting the program beyond where it is now.
>
> As I tried to discuss, but there wasn't time during the Friday EC
> meeting in Denver, I just can't understand how it "costs" $25 to
fulfill
> a .pdf download. (I may have misunderstood, but my understanding was
> that was the reason stated as to why a nominal (say $5) charge per
> download from Get 802 "wasn't a viable option" to further support the
> program without increasing our participants' per meeting session
costs.
>
> As I said, it seems to me that the incremental cost of a .pdf download
> is negligible and I don't understand why simply changing the price (to
> something like $5) 6 months after 802 standards are published isn't
> viable.
>
> I'd like to hear a good explanation of what I'm missing so that I can
> understand it and we could see if we could figure out a way to fix
this.
>
> Carl
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roger B. Marks [mailto:r.b.marks@ieee.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:59 AM
> > To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> > Subject: [802SEC] "Get IEEE 802" comments
> >
> > Karen,
> >
> > Every time we discuss the Get IEEE 802 budget, it gets me to
thinking
> > about the program itself, and how it might be improved, or even
> > maintained.
> >
> > So, I have the following comments:
> >
> > *The "Get IEEE 802 Program Agreement" says "Documents subject to the
> > wait period will be listed on the website with a link to a site
where
> > the documents may be purchased." However, I don't see such links at
> > the site:
> > http://standards.ieee.org/getieee802
> > In fact, I don't ever recall seeing such links, even though I've
> > brought up this issue a few times over the years. There is a pointer
> > to the IEEE Store, but that's not the same thing; the Store is an
easy
>
> > place to get lost, and it does not include a list of available
> > 802 documents.
> >
> > *Are sales of drafts included in the Get IEEE 802 budget? I think
IEEE
>
> > could do a better job of promoting them for sale.
> > It's nice that the web page has two links to the draft sale page.
> > Unfortunately, both of those links are dead, because they point to
> > ILI. ILI has not been offering 802 drafts since November 1.
> >
> > *As usual, we discussed the statistical profiles of the downloaders
> > when we met last week. However, I suspect that this data may be out
of
>
> > date. I say this because, when I went to download standards today, I
> > did not receive the survey form. [Neither did I receive a "Terms and
> > Conditions" page to accept.] I found the same results on two
different
>
> > browsers.
> >
> > Before we next meet to talk about the program budget, can you see if
> > IEEE can review the web site?
> >
> > Roger
> >
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