Re: [802SEC] Straw Poll on: LMSC Operations Manual
Whether the rules have been enforced, or not, does not bear on their
validity nor on our requirement to abide by them. IF this is a concern,
we need to make the SASB aware of it and ask them to clarify when our
P&P becomes effective, in the absence of action by AudCom.
-Bob
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Subject: Re: [802SEC] Straw Poll on: LMSC Operations Manual
I note that the SA SB finds it necessary to do this for their rules.
Till now the current rules have not been tightly enforced. They are
starting to tighten up enforcement. To my knowledge I have never
received formal approval of any P&P I have submitted to AudCom and
AudCom has never posted any version of our P&P. My understanding it
that AudCom does not plan to review our P&P more than once a year
(imagine them trying to review all P&P throughout IEEE more than that).
I do not believe only being able to change our rules only once per year
is acceptable.
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, NES
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
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From: Bob O'Hara (boohara) [mailto:boohara@cisco.com]
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 10:44 AM
To: Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA); STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: RE: [802SEC] Straw Poll on: LMSC Operations Manual
Mat,
I fail to see from the material you supplied that changing our P&P is
any more difficult that before. They have always had to be approved by
AudCom to be official. The only new requirement is that AudCom must
post them in a common location. This places no new requirements or
obligations on us.
I say there is no need to separate and maintain two different documents.
-Bob
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 11:00 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: [802SEC] Straw Poll on: LMSC Operations Manual
Folks,
Please respond to the following straw poll:
Should we partition our current P&P into a P&P and subsidiary Operations
Manual?
Background:
The changes below were approved by the standards board. It has been
suggested on several occasion that we should split our rules into a more
rigorous 'bylaws' type document that would be our actual P&P, and a
lesser subsidiary document which still be binding governance, but be
lower in the order of precedence and easier to change. Most of the
material based on the Model P&P would remain in the current P&P, and
sections that aren't required for the P&P would wind up in the
operations manual.
Given the current changes in SA I believe it is even more imperative to
more towards this format because changing the P&P will be that much more
difficult under the new rules. One of the push backs I received at the
P&P review tonight was that it would be more cumbersome for our members
to utilize than if all the 'rules' are in a singe document. Some people
seemed to support creation of the new document and some seemed to be
against it. There was only a small cross section of the EC present, so
accordingly I'm running this straw poll to see how people feel.
Please respond at your first reasonable opportunity.
Thanks,
Mat
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
Senior Member Technical Staff
BAE SYSTEMS, NES
Office: +1 973.633.6344
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Grow, Bob [mailto:bob.grow@intel.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 5:12 PM
To: Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA)
Subject: P&P motions
Mat:
From AudCom minutes:
AI - Bring this to the SASB as a motion to make this a
part of the rules
Move that the IEEE-SA Standards Board include in its procedures (IEEE-SA
Standards Board Operations
Manual) that any Sponsor policy and procedure document accepted by
AudCom shall reside in one approved
location on the IEEE Standards website.
From Stds Board minutes:
A motion was made by Daleep Mohla and seconded by Gary Robinson
that was amended by Robby Robson and Bill Hopf as follows:
Motion - Move that the IEEE-SA Standards Board include the
following in the IEEE-SA Standards Board Operations Manual:
The IEEE Standards Sponsor policy and procedure document
accepted by AudCom shall be the official policies of that Sponsor and
shall reside online on the IEEE-SA Standards Board AudCom website. No
other copy shall be designated as the official copy. Links to the
IEEE-SA Standards Board AudCom website are encouraged.
Result - 22 approve
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