Re: [802SEC] request for input from 802 EC members regarding 8802-1 review
G'day Carl
Thanks for the comments.
* I have fixed the typos on pp8 and pp15. They will be in v4
* Your comments about slide 9 are more problematic and so I have
not yet made any changes
* You note that you are concerned that the text on slide 9
could undermine IEEE's efforts to reinforce its stature as a truly
international SDO.
* That was certainly not the intent. The problem the IEEE
has at the moment is that, despite the IEEE's desire to be international
and all the evidence you provide to say IEEE is international, most of
the world does not yet recognise the IEEE as such. During the WAPI
issue, three out of three friendly NB's that I spoke to personally
laughed at the suggestion that IEEE was "international". They perceived
it to be a US-centric organisation. To be honest, as a non American, I
observe many IEEE behaviours which support this attitude.
* I consider the stated "goal" of the option for ISO/IEC
standardisation for 802 standards as an insurance policy against such
attitudes causing difficulty in the context of the WTO and other similar
organisations, until we can truly establish the IEEE is a widely
recognised international SDO. Like all insurance policies, it might
never be needed.
Andrew
-----Original Message-----
From: Carl R. Stevenson [mailto:wk3c@wk3c.com]
Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 9:28 PM
To: Andrew Myles (amyles); EC Reflector 802
Subject: RE: [802SEC] request for input from 802 EC members regarding
8802-1 review
Importance: High
Andrew, et al,
Should not the topic at the right on slide 8 say "The review will draw
on the OPINIONS of all stakeholders" rather than "The review will draw
on the OPTIONS of all stakeholders" ???
The text on the right side of slide 9 calls the status of IEEE standards
as "international standards" into question. From the perspective of a
member of the IEEE-SA Board of Governors, I believe that this in in
conflict with the goals of IEEE-SA to gain (increasing) acceptance of
IEEE standards as being international in nature and IEEE-SA being an
international (rather than US-centric) SDO, without dependence on any
other body/SDO.
(This calling into question also seems at odds with the text on the left
side of slide 13, which states " ... 8802-1, which highlights the ".
undoubted standing of IEEE 802 as the international body that makes LAN
standards .") I would also point out that the IEEE has Sector
Memberships in ITU-R and ITU-T (and at least the R Sector membership is
in the same category (i.e., "on an equal footing with" ISO).
I am concerned that the text on the right side of slide 9 could
undermine IEEE's efforts to reinforce its stature as a truly
international SDO.
There appears to be a typo in the last bullet on slide 15 ("This
mechanism was outlined n 6N11917 but apparently never implemented" - I
assume should be "... outlined IN 6N11917 ..."
Regards,
Carl
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> Subject: Re: [802SEC] request for input from 802 EC members regarding
> 8802-1 review
>
> G'day all
>
> I have attached a slightly modified version of the proposed IEEE 802
> EC position statement on 8802-1 fixing some errors I found over the
> weekend
>
> Andrew
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Nikolich" <paul.nikolich@ATT.NET>
> To: <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:40 AM
> Subject: [802SEC] request for input from 802 EC members regarding
> 8802-1 review
>
>
>
> Dear EC Members,
>
> In an e-mail sent to this reflector two weeks ago a process was
> outlined to develop an IEEE 802 LMSC position on potential revisions
> to ISO/IEC TR 8802-1:2001, which documents a cooperation process
> between IEEE 802 LMSC and ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6/WG1.
>
> Since that time a small group has contributed to a draft position IEEE
> 802 LMSC statement for submission to Robin Tasker (editor of
> 8802-1) by
> 27 Sept 06. Andrew Myles coordinated the activity and developed the
> draft position statement in the attached powerpoint document.
> Contributions were received from Geoff Thompson, Steve Mills, Pat
> Thaler, David Law, Andrew Myles, Gary Robinson, Bob Pritchard and Paul
> Nikolich. The draft position does not necessarily represent the views
> of all contributors.
>
> The original plan was to have a teleconference next week to discuss
> the position statement. However, the lack of response from the EC
> (and, presumably, their WG/TAG membership) suggests this is probably
> not a useful exercise. The lack of response is not surprising because,
> although the the relationship with ISO/IEC is important, it is
> "esoteric standards work", orthogonal to the interests of most Working
> Group members.
>
> A slightly modified process to approve this document will now be
> followed:
>
> a.. The draft position statement is attached to this e-mail for
> comments by the 802 EC. Comments should be sent to the
> 802 EC reflector and cc'ed to Andrew Myles (andrew.myles@cisco.com).
> The closing date for comments is 5pm ET on Thursday, 7 Sept 06.
> b.. Andrew Myles will generate an updated version of the draft
> position statement based on these comments by 7am ET on Friday, 8 Sept
> 06.
> c.. The 8 Sept 06 version will be sent out for EC approval via an
> 802 EC e-mail ballot on 8 Sept 06. The ballot will close on 17 Sept
> 06.
> d.. If the EC ballot fails, Andrew Myles will make further changes
> early in the week during the IEEE 802.11 WG interim session in
> Melbourne and a second 802 EC e-mail ballot will be issued with a
> closing date of
> 26 Sept 06.
> e.. I want to avoid a second EC e-mail ballot--hence the
> 1-7 Sept comment period--please, please, please provide your input
> prior to 5 pm ET 7 Sept 06.
> f.. Assuming a position statement is approved, it will be sent to
> Robin Tasker on 26 Sept 06.
> Andrew Myles is available to discuss the draft position statement at
> any time after 5am (3pm ET) any day next week on
> +61 2 84461010 (W) or +61
> 418
> 656587 (M).
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