Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email ballot (closes no later than 17SEP2006)+++ Motion to approve the attached EC position statement regarding the SC6 review of 8802-1
"Responds to Inquiry" along with appropriate "disclaimer boilerplate" would,
I think, resolve the "P-word" issue ...
However, I still will vote DISAPPROVE on the basis of the offending text on
slide 9.
I don't believe that 802 should be sending messages that I believe are
counter to IEEE-SA goals.
Regards,
Carl
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Nikolich [mailto:paul.nikolich@att.net]
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 9:00 PM
> To: wk3c@wk3c.com; 'Paul Nikolich'; STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++EC Email ballot (closes no later
> than 17SEP2006)+++ Motion to approve the attached EC position
> statement regarding the SC6 review of 8802-1
>
> Carl,
>
> On your comment regarding 'position statement' I believe you
> are correct.
> Since this document is a response to a specific request from
> SC6, we should label it appropriately. I am open for
> suggestions. Perhaps a simple label such as 'response to
> inquiry' would be sufficient?
>
> Regards,
>
> --Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl R. Stevenson" <wk3c@wk3c.com>
> To: "'Paul Nikolich'" <p.nikolich@ieee.org>;
> <STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 8:55 PM
> Subject: RE: [802SEC] +++EC Email ballot (closes no later
> than 17SEP2006)+++ Motion to approve the attached EC position
> statement regarding the SC6 review of 8802-1
>
>
> > DISAPPROVE - (most strenuously!) (With all due respect to Andrew
> > Miles and the effort he's expended.)
> >
> > In addition to wanting my name spelled correctly in the
> revisions list
> > :-) I have the following problem:
> >
> > The text on slide 9 - "802 wants an 8802-x version of 802.x
> standards
> > to enable the widest acceptance The WTO and other
> organisations give
> > special status to "international standards", particularly
> in trade The
> > definition of an "international standard" is not always clear It is
> > even possible that IEEE 802.x standards may qualify as
> "international
> > standards", but this is untested However, an ISO/IEC
> standard is well
> > accepted as an international standard Therefore, a benefit
> for 802 of
> > any relationship with ISO/IEC is a mechanism to gain certain
> > "international standard" status for IEEE 802.x standards"
> >
> > is, in my opinion as a member of the SA BoG, counter to
> IEEE-SA goals
> > to be postured as a truly international SDO.
> >
> > Since IEEE has been recognized with Sector Memberships in
> ITU in the
> > same category with ("on equal status with") ISO, I think that the
> > entire message that this text sends that we (IEEE-SA)
> somehow "need"
> > ISO to achieve international status for/acceptance of our
> standars is
> > inaccurate and damaging to the goals of IEEE-SA as I
> understand them.
> >
> > I would also point out that 802.16 has been meeting with
> quite a bit
> > of success in getting their standards recognized internationally by
> > incorporation of references thereto in ITU Recommendations
> and other
> > documents.
> >
> > Thus, while I have no problem with WGs that might *want* to work
> > cooperatively with ISO/IEC, I *do* have a problem with the way the
> > offending text implies that working through ISO/IEC is in *any* way
> > *necessary* for IEEE Standards to gain international status and
> > acceptance.
> >
> > I urge all of my colleagues on the EC to join me in voting
> DISAPPROVE
> > until this problem has been rectified.
> >
> > I think the document could (and does) suggest ways to work with
> > ISO/IEC
> > *without* the inclusion of the offending text/concepts.
> >
> > Finally, it is my understanding that "Position Statements"
> to outside
> > entities require higher approval in IEEE than the 802 EC
> ... That is
> > why
> > 802.18 has "disclaimer boilerplate" in its regulatory
> filings and is
> > careful to avoid the use of the "P-word" ...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Carl R. Stevenson
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> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****
> >> [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Paul Nikolich
> >> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 4:09 PM
> >> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> >> Subject: [802SEC] +++EC Email ballot (closes no later than
> >> 17SEP2006)+++ Motion to approve the attached EC position
> >> statement regarding the SC6 review of 8802-1
> >>
> >> Dear EC Members,
> >>
> >> Per the below email I sent you last Friday
> >> (http://www.ieee802.org/secmail/msg08457.html) , a revised
> >> version of the IEEE 802 position statement on the review of
> >> the 8802-1 and related documents by SC6 is attached for EC
> approval.
> >>
> >> Motion: The 802 LMSC EC resolves to adopt the attached
> >> position statement (appropriately edited to remove the
> >> "DRAFT" and "Change History" text) Moved-Tony Jeffree
> >> Seconded-Mat Sherman
> >>
> >> Please cast your vote as soon as possible. The ballot closes
> >> the earlier of either 17 Sept 2006 or 24 hours after every EC
> >> member has cast a vote.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> --Paul Nikolich
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> To: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
> >> Subject: [802SEC] request for input from 802 EC members
> >> regarding 8802-1 review
> >> From: Paul Nikolich <paul.nikolich@ATT.NET>
> >> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2006 11:40:57 -0400
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------
> >> ------------------
> >>
> >> Dear EC Members,
> >>
> >> In an e-mail sent to this reflector two weeks ago a process
> >> was outlined to develop an IEEE 802 LMSC position on
> >> potential revisions to ISO/IEC TR 8802-1:2001, which
> >> documents a cooperation process between IEEE 802 LMSC and
> >> ISO/IEC JTC1/SC6/WG1.
> >>
> >> Since that time a small group has contributed to a draft
> >> position IEEE 802 LMSC statement for submission to Robin
> >> Tasker (editor of 8802-1) by 27 Sept 06. Andrew Myles
> >> coordinated the activity and developed the draft position
> >> statement in the attached powerpoint document. Contributions
> >> were received from Geoff Thompson, Steve Mills, Pat Thaler,
> >> David Law, Andrew Myles, Gary Robinson, Bob Pritchard and
> >> Paul Nikolich. The draft position does not necessarily
> >> represent the views of all contributors.
> >>
> >> The original plan was to have a teleconference next week to
> >> discuss the position statement. However, the lack of response
> >> from the EC (and, presumably, their WG/TAG membership)
> >> suggests this is probably not a useful exercise. The lack of
> >> response is not surprising because, although the the
> >> relationship with ISO/IEC is important, it is "esoteric
> >> standards work", orthogonal to the interests of most Working
> >> Group members.
> >>
> >> A slightly modified process to approve this document will now
> >> be followed:
> >>
> >> a.. The draft position statement is attached to this e-mail
> >> for comments by the 802 EC. Comments should be sent to the
> >> 802 EC reflector and cc'ed to Andrew Myles
> >> (andrew.myles@cisco.com). The closing date for comments is
> >> 5pm ET on Thursday, 7 Sept 06.
> >> b.. Andrew Myles will generate an updated version of the
> >> draft position statement based on these comments by 7am ET on
> >> Friday, 8 Sept 06.
> >> c.. The 8 Sept 06 version will be sent out for EC approval
> >> via an 802 EC e-mail ballot on 8 Sept 06. The ballot will
> >> close on 17 Sept 06.
> >> d.. If the EC ballot fails, Andrew Myles will make further
> >> changes early in the week during the IEEE 802.11 WG interim
> >> session in Melbourne and a second 802 EC e-mail ballot will
> >> be issued with a closing date of 26 Sept 06.
> >> e.. I want to avoid a second EC e-mail ballot--hence the
> >> 1-7 Sept comment period--please, please, please provide your
> >> input prior to 5 pm ET 7 Sept 06.
> >> f.. Assuming a position statement is approved, it will be
> >> sent to Robin Tasker on 26 Sept 06.
> >> Andrew Myles is available to discuss the draft position
> >> statement at any time after 5am (3pm ET) any day next week on
> >> +61 2 84461010 (W) or +61 418
> >> 656587 (M).
> >>
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> >
>
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