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Re: [802SEC] +++10 Day EC Email Ballot (Closes no later than 22 January 2007)+++Motion regarding IEEE 802 reciprocal voting rights+++



Roger,

The "802.18 Motion to SEC" is what was on the original proposal in
November.

One reason for the rule change is to provide a basis for allowing the
voting. Some participants within the various WGs/TGs may view granting
of voting rights to a chair or EC member as being irregular.

I expect to be offline until sometime Saturday afternoon London time.

Regards from DFW,

Mike

+1 972 814 4901 Mobile


-----Original Message-----
From: Roger B. Marks [mailto:r.b.marks@ieee.org] 
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:55
To: Lynch, Michael (RICH1:2H50)
Cc: STDS-802-SEC@listserv.ieee.org
Subject: Re: [802SEC] +++10 Day EC Email Ballot (Closes no later than 22
January 2007)+++Motion regarding IEEE 802 reciprocal voting rights+++

Mike,

I vote Disapprove, because:

(a) The motion is inappropriate according to the P&P. We don't have the
right to pass a motion that would specify that material "be included in
the next revision of the LMSC P&P". That's not the procedure for
changing the P&P.

(b) We can't by simple motion temporarily override the P&P, which is
what the motion is trying to do.

(c) Although you tried to avoid creating "a new class of voters", this
language would do so. The P&P do not specify a class of people with WG
voting rights; they specify the class of people who are WG members.
Voting is one right held by those members. This language would create an
additional class.

I generally like the idea you are proposing, but I remain concerned that
it would seriously impact quorum requirements in the smaller groups. I
would prefer a rule that would offer such reciprocal membership not
automatically but only upon request. I would support the initiation of
P&P change ballot along these lines.

P.S. I don't understand the labeling of the slide. In what sense is this
an "802.18 Motion to SEC"?

Roger


On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:12 AM, Michael Lynch wrote:

> Dear EC members,
>
> During the November Plenary meeting I presented to the EC a motion on 
> reciprocal voting rights. There was discussion of the motion and some 
> edits were suggested. It was decided that there should be further work

> on the motion. That motion, now modified, is being submitted here for 
> EC ballot.
>
> During the revision to the original motion it was considered that 
> those with reciprocal voting rights would not be considered in 
> determining quorums. After discussion that was dropped since it seemed

> to create a new class of voters.
>
> Next week's Joint Interim meeting will provide an opportunity for some

> of the EC to have face-to-face discussions of this motion and of 
> course we can discuss it here. Next Tuesday evening will be the RR-TAG

> hosted meeting to determine if IEEE 802 will submit an input to ITU-R 
> WP8F on IMT requirements. It is possible that IMT requirements may be 
> the first of several IEEE 802 inputs to WP8F. If the work method 
> involves developing the response(s) within individual TGs and bringing

> those results to the RR-TAG then having reciprocal voting rights 
> should prove useful to that work.
>
> Motion: Moved by Mike Lynch, seconded by Steve Shellhammer
>
> The text of the motion is attached.
>
> Informative: This document informs ITU-R WP8F of a new project being 
> started in IEEE.
>
> This ballot opens at midnight CT Friday 12 January and closes at 11:59

> p.m. CT Monday 22 January 2007.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
>
> +1 972 814 4901 Mobile
>
>  <<18-06-0077-r4-0000_RR-TAG_Reciprocal_Voting_Nov06.ppt>>
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