Re: [802SEC] Fwd: IEEE-SA News Update for September 20, 2007
Bob,
I think that makes sense and is very helpful. I agree that
having such a disclaimer in a presentation is a good idea.
Regards,
Steve
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From: Grow, Bob [mailto:bob.grow@intel.com]
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 12:43 PM
To: Shellhammer, Steve; STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [802SEC] Fwd: IEEE-SA News Update for September 20, 2007
All:
I'll come down somewhere in the middle. I think Geoff is being a bit
too concerned at this point, but I also think some have expressed
opinions that are too loose on making things very clear what the status
of the material presented is. If you read the boilerplate in the front
of our standards, it contains the following:
"At lectures, symposia, seminars, or educational courses, an individual
presenting information on
IEEE standards shall make it clear that his or her views should be
considered the personal views of that individual
rather than the formal position, explanation, or interpretation of the
IEEE."
So, especially being an 802 officer, have made it a practice to include
a disclaimer in my presentation (including the above). I don't think it
is enough to simply ignore that many will think someone holding an
impressive title may be delivering an official position. It is much
cleaner to make it very explicit that one is speaking personally.
I expect that the seminar participants could and should clearly indicate
that they are providing personal opinions; and if they do that, it
satisfies all my concerns.
--Bob
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Shellhammer, Steve
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 12:14 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Fwd: IEEE-SA News Update for September 20, 2007
Geoff,
What is the rule on this? Is there a rule? I know we have some
rules regarding 802.18 representing 802 to regulatory organizations.
Are there other rules regarding giving presentations at workshops or
other presentations? I know Roger was recently giving a presentation on
802.16 in San Diego (where I live) at a local IEEE meeting. Was he
supposed to clear such a presentation with the EC?
I think if the EC has some expectations on such presentations it
is obligated to document those expectations, otherwise 802 members will
not know what those expectations are, and would be left guessing.
Regards,
Steve
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[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Geoff Thompson
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 11:01 AM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [802SEC] Fwd: IEEE-SA News Update for September 20, 2007
Colleagues-
This announcement troubles me. Although it does not say that it is being
presented "in cooperation with IEEE 802" there is certainly a strong
impression given (especially since it is being moderated by our chair)
that
this event is sanctioned by 802. I don't recall ever having discussed
this
one way or the other in the EC. Even without any prejudice about how a
discussion in the EC might turn out, I am uneasy about this. I would be
interested in your thoughts.
Geoff
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