[802SEC] Informal Minutes from LMSC P&P Review Meeting
As announced, an LMSC P&P Review meeting was held at 6 PM on 11/11/07.
Informal Minutes are provided below. Comments are welcome.
Informal Minutes from 11/11/07 P&P Review Meeting:
Agenda for P&P Review - Sunday 11/11/07 6-10 PM in EC Suite 226
Call to order M. Sherman
Approval of Agenda M. Sherman
Current Interpretations S. Shellhammer
Current Actions on Re-elections T. Jeffree
Chair Re-elections in revised P&P T. Jeffree
Press Releases in revised P&P S. Shellhammer
Interpretations in revised P&P S. Shellhammer
Creation of Ops Manual M. Sherman
Feedback for Audcom M. Sherman
Open floor All
Call to order around 6:10 PM
Approved Agenda as modified above
Bob O'hara claimed on reflector that Robert's Rules is called out at
Would dictate how we deal with interpretation
Are we covered by this? What subgroup are we in relative to governance
SASB Debated on IEEE bylaws 300 I(4)4 by SASB
Would have required approval by 50% of members
IEEE agreed to change Bylaw which give IEEE SA exemptions
A sponsor is a subgroup of the SA
LMSC EC is a sponsor
But our P&P makes Robert's rules a guide. Does this over rule 300
After some debate reached general consensus that Paul should follow
Robert's Rules to interpret the P&P.
Any member may Appeal the Chair.
Current re-election issue:
Intended to be a 10 year limit, not 8.
Precedent exists for 5 terms, but rules have changed since then
Recommend Paul take position that is appeal proof
Be caution in interpreting rule
Take literal ruling of 8 years and a day
Tony should request the WG vote on it.
What's the question they should vote on:
Can Tony Jeffree stand for election in March 2008 as he will
have 8 years in office
Stuart is also in Tony's situation
David Law may be as well
Interpretation of P&P:
Decided we want to try and funnel in all desired changes to new P&P
Debated for a while
Took straw poll of EC voting members to see where support was (among
Let EC interpret by majority rule 2
Let chair interpret 8
Need to add ability to over rule
Take straw poll tomorrow in EC meeting
How are interpretations captured once made?
Press Releases in revised P&P
Much discussions on press release
Reviewed Steves Text
Reviewed Baseline P&P text
Discussed what is a sponsor...
5.2.2d of SASB Bylaws defines sponsor
We should state this in the P&P
Steve's change already in Baseline
Does not address issue of chair going direct to SA
Mat encorages someon to raise this on the floor
Encorage pre-writing / approval of press
Encourage chairs to discourage SA releases
Chair Re-elections in revised P&P:
Issue of appointment in between terms
Particularly of Chairs
Reviewed Tony's text
Tony created updated text and had general consensus
Creation of Ops Manual
EC is 'LMSC Sponsor' not LMSC
Just describe LMSC sponsor not LMSC
Push LMSC description in Ops Man
Use different colors for stuff that goes beyond baseline so they are
Use citation of Robert's Rules from Robert's Rules
Mat's current citation of Robert's is different from current baseline.
Need to update.
Define 'Sponsor' somewhere early in document as EC.
Need to figure out where in baseline to add the 'name of
sponsor' = 'sponsor'
Use hidden text for baseline instructions
Can be turned on and off
so that we know what we are measured against.
Turn off hidden text and print clean copy
Mark changes in P&P so that reader can identify:
Stuff moved in from baseline
Stuff moved from elsewhere in P&P (with pointer)
Stuff that isn't in either...
Announce at EC - A small drafting committee working on splitting
documents and creating a
baseline P&P complaint P&P and material for OM....
Matthew Sherman, Ph.D.
BAE Systems - Network Systems (NS)
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