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Pat, You are correct. This was not supposed to happen but as a newbee I do ask for a one time exception. I had sent the PAR's in NesCom form to James last week for distribution but he required conversion into pdf format which I could not do and that task was not completed until today. The 5 criteria were completed by the SG back in May and did not require conversion. They are attached. In This email. I hope this is adequate for allowing these to move forward. I hope the couple of day gap is not too egregious. If this cannot be included in the July plenary then I'll ask for an email ballot. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Pat Thaler Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 5:26 PM To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG; James Gilb Subject: Re: [802SEC] PARs for Friday's agenda James, There is a problem. Our P&P have a specific procedure for approving new PARs (Clause 17). 17.2 contains the requirement: "Complete PARs shall be circulated via the EC email reflector to all Executive Committee members no less than 30 days prior to the day of the Opening Executive Committee meeting of an LMSC Plenary session." You sent this today, June 16. Our Opening EC meeting is July 14. That is 28 days prior, not the required 30 days. There is an exemption to this rule for Maintenance PARs, division of existing work items and similar routine items but that wouldn't apply to either of these. Also, you didn't supply the 5 criteria for either of these. That needs to be precirculated along with the PAR for any PAR that introduces new functionality - which both these PARs do. I'm sorry, but I don't see how we can consider these PARs in July under our rules. Regards, Pat -----Original Message----- From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of James Gilb Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 1:49 PM To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [802SEC] PARs for Friday's agenda All Here are two PARs for consideration at our closing plenary. They are from 802.11. James Gilb ---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv. ---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv. ---------- This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector. This list is maintained by Listserv.