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Re: [802SEC] Motion to return 802.20 to individual voting rights


I have my hands full with other stuff so I'm trying to stay out of this
fray, but we really should check if IEEE802 rules support entity voting.
As I understand things, the baseline Sponsor P&P (that we are now
modeled after) was set up specifically to support individual voting.
There are other model P&P within IEEE to support entity voting.  While
AudCom is trying to combine them, the current baseline and our current
P&P were designed for individual balloting.  We only do Entity balloting
as a special case (or when told to from on high...).

If you are going to allow 802.20 to continue entity balloting (I am
conflicted so I won't vote on this motion) I do recommend you consider
how that gels with our existing P&P.



Matthew Sherman, Ph.D. 
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-----Original Message-----
From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****
[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG] On Behalf Of Tony Jeffree
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Motion to return 802.20 to individual voting

James -

I believe reverting 802.20 to individual voting rights without giving 
the WG a chance to make their views known is premature - they may 
feel that the existing voting regime is working for them and they 
want to keep it that way. I suggest we leave it up to the WG to make 
a request of the EC in July if that is what they want.


At 00:12 25/06/2008, James Gilb wrote:
>Some corrections (thanks to Bob Grow).
>June 2006, SASB took action removing 802.20 officers
>December 2007 (not 2008) dissolving SASB oversight committee and 
>returning all oversight to the EC.
>I verified that the UC-EC meet in San Francisco in closed session, 
>July 16, 2007.  The public minutes state that the following motion 
>was approved:
>"Effective immediately, all votes and ballots in the 802.20 working 
>group shall be conducted on the basis of entity affiliation, with 
>one vote per entity.  Entities and affiliation shall e as determined 
>by the 802 EC 802.20 OC, based on members' declarations of their 
>primary affiliation and other information available to the OC."
>It has been pointed out to me that we can do entity voting 
>(apparently mixed voting was done away with, but is still listed in 
>the IEEE SA web pages) under the rules defined by the SA.  This may 
>require some clarifications to the 802 EC P&P and OM as well as the 
>802.20 P&P and OM.
>It was also pointed out that 802.20 did not use entity voting 
>process, it used one based on voting blocs.
>If 802.20 (or any other group) wants to create a PAR with entity 
>voting or to modify a current PAR so that it uses entity voting.
>The goal of the motion is to return 802.20 to its original state and 
>to allow 802.20 members to determine the best course of action, 
>including, if they wish, to switch to entity voting.
>James Gilb
>PS: Thanks for the responses from everyone that helped me to clarify 
>the history and status of 802.20.
>James Gilb wrote:
>>I am looking for a second for this one.  Paul N. will determine the 
>>valid voting pool (all EC or UC-EC).
>>On 16 July 2007, the UC-EC voted to make voting for 802.20 to be 
>>based on entity affiliation.
>>SASB returned oversight of the 802.20 WG to the UC-EC in December
>>Dec 2008 SASB minutes -- "Move to (1) disband the SASB Oversight
>>Committee, and (2) return oversight control to the 802 Executive
>>Committee with an offer of continuing support for situations where the
>>802 EC wishes to seek our help."
>>The above motion passed after reviewing the EC motion from November
>>requesting that "the NC-EC be dissolved once the 802.20 standard is
>>approved by the SASB."
>>The 802.20 standard has been approved by the SASB.
>>Moved to return the 802.20 working group to individual voting at the
>>beginning of the July 2008 plenary meeting. Voting rights shall be 
>>determined on historical attendance credits per the 802.20 P&P, and 
>>superior rules.
>>Furthermore, the 802.20 rules and the 802 LMSC rules do not 
>>explicitly deal with entity voting Working Groups (For example, 
>>what constitutes an entity?  In 802.20 sponsor ballot, various 
>>individuals were grouped by the oversight committee into a single
entity vote.)
>>If we want to convert 802.20 to entity or mixed balloting group, we 
>>should take to the time to write the P&P to support this.  In the 
>>mean time, I think it would be best to return 802.20 to where it was.
>>James Gilb
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