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Re: [802SEC] Plenary organization



David,

The closing EC meeting form 1-6 pm on Friday already gives the WGs (that
choose to use it) AM1 and AM2 on Friday.

802.22 meets during those Friday am slots.

Carl
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org 
> [mailto:owner-stds-802-sec@ieee.org] On Behalf Of David_Law@3com.com
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 1:02 PM
> To: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****; 
> STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: Re: [802SEC] Plenary organization
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> What is proposed here would give the WGs approximately 1.5 
> hours extra 
> daytime meeting time Monday - allowing the WG to start at 
> 10:30AM - and 
> two extra evenings - eliminate Tuesday tutorial and the 
> Wednesday social - 
> which is a start.
> 
> I however still think we should consider [1] moving the Opening EC to 
> Sunday evening to allow a full day of WG meetings Monday 
> and/or [2] moving 
> the closing EC to allow a half day of WG meetings Friday 
> morning. Allowing 
> WGs to meet Friday morning would also make Thursday evening 
> available for 
> WG meetings - and I would suggest that might be a better 
> approach rather 
> than eliminating the Tuesday tutorial or the social.
> 
> I do realize that what I suggest places a greater burden on all-ready 
> overworked EC members, but I believe we should do everything 
> possible to 
> allow the WGs the maximum time to do work.
> 
> Best regards,
>   David
> 
> 
> 
> ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** <STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org> 
> wrote on 18/10/2008 13:56:42:
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:
> > STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Shellhammer, Steve
> > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 11:01 PM
> > To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> > Subject: Re: [802SEC] Plenary organization
> > 
> > All,
> > 
> >         I am NOT in favor of the following,
> > 
> > 1.      Moving Monday EC meeting to Sunday
> > 2.      Moving Friday meeting to Thursday night
> > 
> >         However, I agree with some other ideas,
> > 
> > 1.      Eliminate the 802 plenary and shorten the Monday EC meeting.
> > Get everything done by 10 AM so the WG's can start by 10:30 AM.
> > 
> > 2.      Eliminate the social.
> > 
> > 3.      Go from one night for Tutorials.  Alternatively, make a 
> > deadline of 35 days before the meeting to commit to tutorials.  That
> > way if we only have one night worth of tutorials we can give Tuesday
> > to the WGs.  They would know 35 days in advance and could plan 
> > accordingly.  They could get their agendas out 30 days in advance.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List ***** [mailto:
> > STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of J Lemon
> > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 4:10 PM
> > To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> > Subject: Re: [802SEC] Plenary organization
> > 
> > Tony,
> > 
> > As I mentioned when I brought up the general topic some months back:
> > 
> >     * I believe that Monday mornings are not being used very
> >       effectively. I think we could probably shorten the EC opening
> >       meeting, and we could definitely drop the 802 plenary meeting
> >       altogether.
> >     * We already have too little time on Fridays. 
> Decreasing our time,
> >       and moving it into the sleeping time of some members 
> would make
> >       the problem worse than it already is. I would rather 
> have the EC
> >       meetings start Monday morning, and hopefully end 
> early afternoon.
> >     * I see the cost/benefit ratio of the Wednesday socials to be
> >       heavily skewed towards the costs exceeding the 
> benefits. I would
> >       be quite happy to see this disappear.
> >     * I tend to lose two weekends for most 802 plenaries. If it were
> >       possibly to lose only one weekend, I would be much 
> happier. So, I
> >       would be fine with moving the Monday EC meeting to Sundays,
> >       leaving all of Monday for WG meetings, and running 
> the Friday EC
> >       meeting from 08:00 or 09:00 until around 15:00.
> > 
> > 
> > jl
> > 
> > On 10/16/2008 1:47 AM, Tony Jeffree wrote:
> > > Colleauges -
> > >
> > > Given the not inconsiderable workload that some working groups are
> > attempting to tackle, I
> > > feel it is worth re-visiting once again the question of how we 
> > organize our Plenaries to
> > > maximize the time available for useful technical work (which I 
> > believe, when all is said
> > > and done, is why we have these meetings in the first place). At 
> > present, with the existing
> > > meeting format, I get 2 ½ clear days of Task Group meetings; that 
> > is rather less than we
> > > need for effective progress. I am reluctant to move the closing 
> > 802.1 plenary to Friday
> > > morning (as some WGs have done) with the present format, because 
> > firstly I doubt we would
> > > get the right level of attendance to conduct effective business, 
> > given that there would
> > > not be technical meetings that day, and secondly it would leave me
> > with no time for
> > > preparation for the closing EC meeting.
> > >
> > > So how can this be fixed?
> > >
> > > Firstly, Monday mornings at Plenary sessions are largely a no-op 
> > in my view. I don't think
> > > that the format of the Monday morning plenary meeting is useful to
> > the majority of
> > > attendees, and if it didn't happen, I don't believe there are many
> > attendees that would
> > > miss it at all. If it wasn't there, we could start our WG opening 
> > plenaries before lunch
> > > and in my case, we could be off and running with Task Group 
> > meetings by early-mid
> > > afternoon.
> > >
> > > Secondly, we could make the radical move to take the opening EC 
> > meeting out of the
> > > "working week" altogether, by holding it on the Sunday evening. We
> > already have a Sunday
> > > PM rules meeting; maybe putting the two together on the Sunday 
> > evening would help us to
> > > crispen up both activities. Again, this would help free up Monday 
> > time for WG activity.
> > >
> > > Thirdly, although for some EC members, holding the closing EC on 
> > Friday afternoon helps
> > > with their travel plans, for others of us it creates a 
> double whammy:
> > >
> > > 1)    We have to stay over until Saturday anyway, because even a 
> > 6PM close is too late
> > > to get away on the Friday evening; and
> > > 2)    The fact that the closing meeting is in the afternoon makes 
> > it difficult to make
> > > sensible use of Friday morning (see opening para - we need some 
> > time to prepare stuff for
> > > the EC meeting following our closing WG Plenaries, and holding a 
> > short Plenary on Friday
> > > morning is a guarantee of low attendance).
> > >
> > > So I would advocate moving the EC meeting to the 7pm-midnight slot
> > on Friday evening,
> > > freeing up most of Friday for WG business - finishing the WG 
> > closing plenary at (say) 3pm
> > > would still allow us to get straight for the EC meeting, but would
> > also give us an extra
> > > morning or part-morning for task group work.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Tony
> > >
> > >
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