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Re: [802SEC] Hotel problem



Buzz,

I'm not sure "zapping" people for not staying in the contracted hotel is the right way to present it.  Yes everyone should pay their fair share, and you have built part of the meeting costs into the room costs.  People who stay at other hotels may not even be aware of this fact so I would not assume they are trying to avoid paying their fair share.  I'm also okay with Ivan's suggestion of fully separating the room and meeting costs.  But it may work out cheaper from the group in the long run to combine them.  If so, I still believe a softer sell is required with very clear explanation of our rationale for why we have different registration fees for the different hotel option.  

The main thing is I think we need more discussion on this.

Mat 

Matthew Sherman, Ph.D. 
Engineering Fellow 
BAE Systems - Electronics, Intelligence, & Support (EI&S) 
Office: +1 973.633.6344 
Cell: +1 973.229.9520 
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee [mailto:BRigsBieee@comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 3:31 PM
To: Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA); BRigsB@ieee.org; STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [802SEC] Hotel problem

Hi Matt,    I guess I don't see the gain.  If we start out by telling folks
that the registration fees are $700, $800, and $900 but that you get a $300
"discount" if you stay at our 802-contracted hotel, I think you'll get more
folks who are mad as hell that we are raising the registration fees by a
huge amount when we already have a large surplus.  But in either case it
works out to the exact same thing so it's just 6 of one, half dozen of the
other.     

Besides, I dislike playing games with semantics to fool people into thinking
they are getting something they are not.  The intention is to ZAP folks for
not staying in our contracted hotels so they pay their fair share of the
meeting expenses and so they hopefully decide to stop doing that.  Let's
just call a spade, a spade.          :-)    

Thanx, Buzz
Please note my contact info: 
Dr. Everett O (Buzz) Rigsbee
Executive Secretary, IEEE-802 LMSC
7750 80th Place SE
Mercer Island, WA  98040-5912
ph/fx: 206-236-2229
cell: 206-818-4978
SkypeID:  BRigsB
BRigsB@ieee.org


-----Original Message-----
From: Sherman, Matthew J. (US SSA) [mailto:matthew.sherman@baesystems.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:26 AM
To: BRigsB@ieee.org; STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [802SEC] Hotel problem

Buzz,

While a "surcharge" may have been approved, I agree with Bruce that
presenting it as a 'discount' may make it more positive and palatable in the
eyes of our attendees.  It also shifts the default position from "don't have
to pay" to "have to pay" which may work in our favor as well.  Perhaps we
can consider this at the March meeting?

Mat

Matthew Sherman, Ph.D. 
Engineering Fellow 
BAE Systems - Electronics, Intelligence, & Support (EI&S) 
Office: +1 973.633.6344 
Cell: +1 973.229.9520 
email: matthew.sherman@baesystems.com

-----Original Message-----
From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****
[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 1:20 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Hotel problem

Hi Bruce,    I'm sorry if you misunderstood the proposal but if you will
look at the attached motion which was voted, it clearly does indicate "a
surcharge of $300" will be applied for those not staying on the
802-contracted hotel.  

 

If you would prefer to explain it as a "discount for those staying in the
802-contracted hotel" that's OK with me but that's a much larger set of
people.  Our goal of course is to minimize the number subject to the
surcharge, and the evidence from the Wireless Interim meetings and the 802.3
Interims is that it works very well.   I would be very happy to sit down and
explain the proposal to any who have concerns during the March Plenary if
you think that would help.  But I don't think changing the wording of the
proposal will make any difference because the result will be the same either
way.  

 

I know it sounds harsh and unfair at first blush but upon explanation it
actually makes a lot of sense, and several people have indicated that it
actually solved the problem they were having with their company trying to
switch them to other hotels by making it no longer economically beneficial.


 

You can call me if you want to discuss it further at my numbers below.    

 

Thanx, Buzz

Please note my contact info: 

Dr. Everett O (Buzz) Rigsbee

Executive Secretary, IEEE-802 LMSC

7750 80th Place SE

Mercer Island, WA  98040-5912

ph/fx: 206-236-2229

cell: 206-818-4978

SkypeID:  BRigsB

BRigsB@ieee.org

 

From: Bruce Kraemer [mailto:bkraemer@marvell.com]
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:57 AM
To: BRigsB@ieee.org; STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Cc: Paul Nikolich; James Gilb; Stephens, Adrian P; Jon Rosdahl
Subject: Hotel problem

 

Buzz,

You are causing me a big problem on a sensitive topic. Adrian noted that
your message reads:

 

 

A $300 US surcharge will be added to the registration fee for those
attendees not booking and staying in the 802-

 

contracted hotel(s); Caribe Royale and Buena Vista Suites. Proof of hotel
stay will be required to prevent having

 

to pay the surcharge, when you pick-up your badge.

 

 

This is not what we agreed.  This is not a surcharge,  but a discount that
applies to those using the meeting

hotel. 

 

 

You have placed me in a position where I need to investigate and protest the
surcharge fee. Please note that I will enter this as a topic for the EC
meeting in March.

 

Bruce

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: ***** IEEE 802 Executive Committee List *****
[mailto:STDS-802-SEC@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Everett O. (Buzz) Rigsbee
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:55 PM
To: STDS-802-SEC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: URGENT: Hotel Website Still Broken - Please use workaround below to
BOOK NOW !!!

 

 

 

{To all WG Chairs:  Please ensure this urgent message is forwarded to your

full WG List}  

 

 

 

 

 

MEETING UPDATE #2

 

IEEE 802 Plenary March 14-19, 2010

 

Orlando, Florida USA

 

 

 

Hotel Website Still Broken - Please use workarounds below !!!    PLEASE BOOK

NOW !!!

 

 

 

CARIBE ROYALE RESORT  -  An All-Suites Hotel Property

 

GROUP RATE (IEEE802)

 

.$170.00 US Single/Double Occupancy plus 12.5% taxes per Suite (free

Guestroom Internet Included)

 

RESERVATION CUT OFF DATE - 6 pm EST on FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 12, 2010

 

CANCELLATION POLICY - No charge if cancelled before 6 pm EST on Date of

Arrival

 

Caribe Royale Resort WEB RESERVATIONS LINK:  (you may need to cut & paste

the following URL into your browser to assure access)

 

https://reservations.thecaribeorlando.com/cariberoyale/Availability.asp?WCI=

Groups

<https://reservations.thecaribeorlando.com/cariberoyale/Availability.asp?WCI

=Groups&WCE=GroupSelect&BookID=4905&GroupPassword=885>

&WCE=GroupSelect&BookID=4905&GroupPassword=885 

 

 

 

BUENA VISTA SUITES  -  An All-Suites Hotel Property adjoining the Caribe 

 

GROUP RATE (IEEE802)

 

.$150.00 US Single/Double Occupancy plus 12.5% taxes per Suite (free

Guestroom Internet Included)

 

RESERVATION CUT OFF DATE - 6 pm EST on FRIDAY, FEBRUARY 12, 2010

 

CANCELLATION POLICY - No charge if cancelled before 6 pm EST on Date of

Arrival

 

Buena Vista Suites WEB RESERVATIONS LINK:  (you may need to cut & paste the

following URL into your browser to assure access)

 

https://reservations.thecaribeorlando.com/buenavistasuites/Availability.asp?

WCI=Groups

<https://reservations.thecaribeorlando.com/buenavistasuites/Availability.asp

?WCI=Groups&WCE=GroupSelect&BookID=2235&GroupPassword=38000705>

&WCE=GroupSelect&BookID=2235&GroupPassword=38000705 

 

 

 

If you still have reservation site problems please use Phone or FAX for your

reservation.  

 

For more information about Registration, VISA Letters, the Basic Schedule

and other event particulars please see the web portal, 

 

http://ieee802.facetoface-events.com/plenary

 

 

 

REGISTRATION DETAILS

 

Register for this session at:  http://ieee802.facetoface-events.com/plenary

 

EARLY Registration Fee $400 US

 

Before 6PM Pacific Time (PT) Friday February 12, 2010

(UTC Time: 2am Saturday, February 13)

 

Web Registration Fee $500 US

 

Before 6PM Pacific Time (PT) Monday March 8, 2010                       (UTC

Time: 2am Tuesday, March 9)

 

LATE / ONSITE Registration Fee $600 US

 

After 6PM Pacific Time (PT) Monday March 8, 2010

(UTC Time: 2am Tuesday, March 9)

 

A $300 US surcharge will be added to the registration fee for those

attendees not booking and staying in the 802-contracted hotel(s); Caribe

Royale and Buena Vista Suites.  

 

Proof of hotel stay will be required to prevent having to pay the surcharge,

when you pick-up your badge.  

 

 

 

Meeting Planner Contact Information

 

Face To Face Events

 

2699 Iversen Court

 

Santa Clara, CA  95051   USA

 

Phone:  (408) 241-8906       Fax:  (408) 241-8918     Email:

802info@facetoface-events.com 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanx, Buzz

 

Please note my contact info: 

 

Dr. Everett O (Buzz) Rigsbee

 

Executive Secretary, IEEE-802 LMSC

 

7750 80th Place SE

 

Mercer Island, WA  98040-5912

 

ph/fx: 206-236-2229

 

SkypeID:  BRigsB

 

BRigsB@ieee.org

 

 

 

 

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