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Re: [802SEC] ITU-R SG1 Meeting Announcement

Hi Nancy,

Nancy, you are coming late to the story. The IMT folks, just like the PLC/PLT proponents each are intent on dominating Smart Grid.

The question was approved by the Member States in September, 2011. At the request of the Syrian administration it was delayed from 2010 since a Focus Group there was deciding the model for Smart Grid communications, primarily PLC/PLT and cellular type of systems. The US representative was one of those who insisted technologies such as 802.15.4g not be mentioned. The FG finished their work in December and it is now being used by ITU-T to decide how to proceed, a JCA or what. And ITU-T's mandate does not include spectrum regulatory matters and permits nearly equal participation between Member States and Sector Members (and IEEE is an ITU-T Sector Member with no representative.) ITU-T is also different from ITU-R in that ITU-R creates treaties hence holds conferences whereas ITU-T holds assemblies. The ITU-R also operates part of the United Nations court system, the RRB.

The participants in SG1 are spectrum regulators from up to about 190 countries. As with all matters in ITU-R were the ones who wrote the question. SG1 is "light" on Sector Members who are telecommunications vendors or operators, but is heavy on the regulators who deal with interference issues. The question began 2+ years ago and was primarily aimed at interference from PLC and PLT systems. Last year a seminar was held which demonstrated that ITU compliant PLC/PLT systems are not a problem but many which claim to be compliant (you can buy them at Best Buy, etc.) create excessive amounts of rf interference. The lack of telecommunications vendors or operators in SG is one reason that a behind the scenes effort was made during the 2012 Radiocommunication Assembly to have this new question moved to where the telecommunications vendors, operators and "mainstream regulators" participate, the same group that fought for years to keep 802.16 out "of the IMT club."

In my seven or so years of being the IEEE liaison no one from the IEEE groups promoting PLC/PLT have come as IEEE to provide any input, only as individual companies .

Within IEEE 802 the only input on this Smart Grid was one that was successfully submitted last year which radically changed a report that individual PLC/PLT proponents had drafted essentially saying why wireless should not be used in Smart Grid communication. I was the IEEE person at the ITU-R meeting and I received about 25% of the cost of going from any of the WGs or vendors whose interests were at stake.

In my view IEEE 802 has a lot at stake here, even if we handle it by getting the major companies who are 802 players to take action.



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From: Nancy Bravin <>
Sent: 26 February, 2012 09:38
To: <>
Subject: Re: [802SEC] ITU-R SG1 Meeting Announcement

Hi Mike,

What was the date of the question release 236? And why would this be only one solution, IMT Advanced/LTE  when in fact multiple 802 WG's are involved with Smart Grid?
No offense to anyone, but many wired and wireless groups and countries regarding spectrum policy around the world have much at stake/interest and I would assume 802 as a whole is one of them?
Did IEEE or 802 have any input to the FCC and NTIA regarding spectrum policy to this previously?
Thanks for your time, sorry if I missed any input relative to the US spectrum policy regarding Smart Grid, could you repost it if there was input thru the RR TAG or one of the 802 WG groups?
Sincerely, Nancy

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