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Re: [802SEC] +++10 Day EC Email Ballot+++ 802.1aq book signing



Geoff -

I disagree.

Regards,
Tony
On May 23, 2012 8:12 PM, "Geoff Thompson" <thompson@ieee.org> wrote:

> **
> Tony-
>
> On 235//12 10:02 AM, Tony Jeffree wrote:
>
> Geoff -
>
> We have had similar signing events in the past for books published by the
> IEEE on LAN topics, and have also had IEEE book stalls at our Plenaries in
> the past, selling a wider range of IEEE publications.
>
>
> I do recall the IEEE having a table where they peddled goods from their
> profit making arms.
> I do not recall signing events.
> I recognize the similarity of this to the event we are talking about.  I
> have never been wild about these but have recognized these are more or less
> part of what comes with the SA being a subsidiary of the Institute.  I
> think the space between this and a signing event for the same merchandise
> is a shallow and slippery slope but I do think the line is right about here.
>
> And actually, developing/selling standards is also supposed to be an IEEE
> profit making operation - are you suggesting we are over the line there too?
>
>
> While selling standards may or may not be (or supposed to be) a profit
> making operation, it is undertaken by an arm of the IEEE that is most
> definitely under the portion of the SA that is both "not for profit" and
> "for the benefit of humanity".  They are "our (consensus) product" (rather
> than the independent product of some of our members).
>
> I have no problem with any activity or promotion that we take to sell
> standards.  That is proper and not "over the line".  I would have
> absolutely no problem with a booth at an 802 Plenary selling (at a premium
> even) signed copies of any of our standards.  (Frankly I'm a little
> surprised that Roger hasn't done that already.)
>
>
> The issue here is the sanctioned promotion of the sale of a class of
> unballoted non-consensus publications that are potentially opinion pieces
> not subject to any of the checks and balances of the standards process.
>
> Best regards,
>
>     Geoff
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Tony
>
>
>
> On 23 May 2012 17:45, Geoff Thompson <thompson@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>> Colleagues-
>>
>> As usual, I am not allowed to vote on this.
>> I am uncomfortable with this though as being overly commercial.
>> I think this activity dances on the line.
>>
>> This is a commercial promotion for a profit making operation within the
>> IEEE.
>> We have had numerous other books written by standards luminaries
>> specifically and equally focused about other standards.  They have often
>> been published by others than the IEEE.  I would find it difficult to
>> deny them equal opportunity to promote an equal (or better) product that
>> was focused on one of our efforts.
>>
>> I don't think this is a clear call but I would rather we avoid the line
>> than dance over it.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>    Geoff
>>
>>  On 235//12 7:01 AM, Tony Jeffree wrote:
>>
>>> Paul has authorized me to run an email ballot on the following motion:
>>>
>>> Motion:  Grant permission to IEEE-SA staff to organize, promote and
>>> conduct
>>> sales of a book on 802.1aq, including author signing, at the July 802
>>> plenary.
>>>
>>> Moved: Jeffree Seconded: Thaler
>>>
>>> Background:
>>>
>>> This book, which is published through IEEE, was written by two members of
>>> the 802.1 WG who were contributors to the work on IEEE Std. 802.1aq which
>>> was approved by SASB in March 2012.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  This will be a 10-day ballot, closing on 3rd June 2012 AOE; as per
>>> current
>>> P&P I will terminate the ballot early if it is clear that the outcome has
>>> been decided.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Tony
>>>
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