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Re: [802SEC] upgrade

Luigi,   I certainly agree with Geoff that this is a fundamentally BAD IDEA !!!    I think switching to email address for UserID is also a big mistake since people switch email addresses all the time for various reasons and it’s the quickest way I can think of to lose contact with lots of our members.   Members may change passwords frequently but very few would voluntarily choose to change their UserID.   Those tend to stay very stable over time.   If nothing else you should at least allow folks to login with either their UserID or their email address.   Since we now require IEEE access for many critical  IEEE-802 functions it is very  important that we make it easy for them to do that.   We will lose more memberships if we don’t.               J      


Thanx, Buzz

Please note my contact info:

Dr. Everett O (Buzz) Rigsbee

IEEE-802 LMSC Meeting Manager

7750 80th Place SE

Mercer Island, WA  98040-5912

ph/fx: 206-236-2229

cell: 206-818-4978

SkypeID:  BRigsB


From: [] On Behalf Of Geoff Thompson
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 9:22 AM
To: l.napoli@IEEE.ORG
Cc: grouper-wg@IEEE.ORG; j.loisleur@IEEE.ORG; Landon Cox; Jeric O. Newby; 802 EC; Geoff Thompson; Steve Mills
Subject: Re: [802SEC] upgrade



Thanks for a heads up on this well in advance of things actually happening.
I am happy to update my contact information for you.  That follows later in this message.

I strongly feel that it is a major mistake and great disservice to standards and standards volunteers to remove accounts just because they are inactive.  A great deal of the value of past records of IEEE standards activity is to provide unequivocal records of prior art being before the public.  Such information is quite valuable during patent litigation against claims that certain patents are being de-facto infringed because a particular product implements a standard.

This sometimes shows up in very strange ways.  In a recent instance, a patent nominally associated with implementations of 802.9 (a long dead standard) was claimed by the NPE owner as being essential in implementations of USB.

The cost of keeping archival material on-line is minimal and is a great service to those corporations that implement standards.

In my particular case, my name is on the accounts associated with the 802.23 Working Group.  That group and the efforts leading to it cover the period of time from July 2009 to July 2011.  The PAR was withdrawn in the summer of 2011.


Geoff Thompson
Chair of P802.23, 2009 - 2011
Member Emeritus, 802 Executive Committee

Geoffrey O. Thompson
GraCaSI S.A.
158 Paseo Ct.
Mountain View, CA 94043-5286

On 226//12 8:34 AM, wrote:


You are receiving this message because you are an IEEE Standards Working
Group member and have a login account on  The server
will be upgraded sometime end of July to early August and the changes will affect
your account.  A more specific date and additional info will be emailed in several weeks.

In order to keep the accounts on grouper, and to keep our records
current, it is important that you reply to this email.  Please provide us
with your name, preferred email address, telephone number, and the groups/projects
you are affiliated with.  A reply will allow us the opportunity to remove
inactive accounts and give us your latest contact information.  

If we do not receive a response by 18 July 2012, your account will be removed.
(Please do not respond to the mailing list.)

Let me know if you have any questions.  Thank you in advance for your

Luigi Napoli
Sr. Systems Administrator
IEEE Standards Association
PH: +1 732 562 3812; FX: +1 732 562 1571
IEEE. Advancing Technology for Humanity.

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