Thread Links Date Links
Thread Prev Thread Next Thread Index Date Prev Date Next Date Index

Re: [802SEC] +++ 30 day EC email ballot ++++ Proposed changes to 802 P&P


Updated vote tally, as of 13:35 PDT, the ballot is scheduled to close tonight.

The ballot is currently passing as it requires 13 approve votes to pass (see below) and there are currently 12 approve votes plus the Chair has conditionally voted approve, if his vote would change the outcome. The current tally is:

Voter:                     APP    DIS    ABS    DNV
  CH Paul Nikolich         APP (if vote would change outcome)
  VC Pat Thaler                                 DNV
  VC James Gilb            APP
  ES Jon Rosdahl           APP
  RS John D'Ambrosia       APP
  TR Clint Chaplin         APP
  01 Tony Jeffree          APP
  03 David Law                                  DNV
  11 Bruce Kraemer         APP
  15 Bob Heile             APP
  16 Roger Marks           APP
  18 Mike Lynch            APP
  19 Steve Shellhammer     APP
  21 Subir Das             APP
  22 Apurva Mody           APP
24 James Gilb (can only vote once) ---------------------------------------------------
     TOTALS                13     0      0       2

If you have not voted, please consider voting.

As a reminder, the criteria to pass is 2/3 of all members. We have a 6 officers (including the Chair), 10 WG/TAG chairs (but the 802.24 Chair/2nd Vice Chair counts as only one member, not two) and 4 non-voting members (2 chairs of hibernating working groups and 2 members emeritus) for a total of 19 members. 2/3 of this is 13.

If this ballot passes, then once the new P&P is posted by AudCom, the criteria for future changes will be 2/3 of all voting members (currently 15), which would be 10 with our current voting membership.

James Gilb

On 12/03/2012 02:24 PM, James P. K. Gilb wrote:
802 EC members

We received a comment on our proposed P&P.  In our old P&P, public
statements require only majority vote, however in the new baseline, they
require super majority vote.

In keeping with our old P&P, I had moved this from super majority to
simple majority.   However, in that baseline, the super majority items
are not allowed to be moved to simple majority.

Hence, I have posted a new proposed P&P to mentor at
and I have attached a copy as well.

This email serves as the submission 30 days in advance of the conclusion
of an electronic ballot to approve them.  I propose the following motion
to be confirmed by an EC electronic ballot that concludes on January 3,

This motion is proposed using the process defined in "Revision of
Sponsor P&P" in our currently approved Sponsor P&P.

Moved: The 802 EC approves the document ec-12-0084-00-00EC as the IEEE
802 LMSC Policies and Procedures that will be submitted to AudCom for
approval, with editorial changes allowed.

Moved: James Gilb
Second: Jon Rosdahl

Reference, from Clause 12 of IEEE 802's approved P&P:

12 Revision of Sponsor P&P

Revisions to these P&P shall be submitted to the sponsor no less than 30
day in advance of a motion (or conclusion of an electronic ballot) to
approve them. Amendments in response to comments on the P&P are
permitted. Insufficient time to consider complex amendments is a valid
reason to vote disapprove. A motion to revise the Sponsor P&P shall
require a vote of approve by at least two thirds of all members of the

Second Vice Chair's note regarding threshold for passing the motion:
We have 5 officers, 9 WG/TAG chairs, 2 chairs of hibernating WGs and 2
member emeriti
  - 10 WGs/TAGs, but count Gilb in officers, not as TAG chair
  - 18 members, 2/3 approval is 12 affirmative votes

James Gilb
IEEE 802 Second Vice Chair

This email is sent from the 802 Executive Committee email reflector.  This list is maintained by Listserv.