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Re: [802SEC] Changing the 5 Criteria

As you noted it is already in there, but specific to wireless standards.  Therefore I have not paid as much attention to it.  If I had, I would have had issues with the way it was written.  Once again The 5 Criteria are the basis for determining whether to forward a PAR or not.    I do not see this text as helping that function at all.  If we are going to update it period then it should be done in a way to help that function.  Otherwise this is a process requirement for projects that should be moved to the appropriate section.

I also prefer the current way that it is organized, as opposed to the proposal to elevate it up to all groups.    

My $0.02

-----Original Message-----
From: James Gilb [] On Behalf Of James P. K. Gilb
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 7:13 PM
To: DAmbrosia, John
Subject: Re: [802SEC] Changing the 5 Criteria


Do we need to preserve 5 having items or the term 5C?  We can editorial add new criteria by just merging them into the existing one, that was the proposal last time, to have managed objects and coexistence merged into compatibility.

We can have 7 sections in the "5C", regardless of how many criteria there are in it.  Kind of like how the Big 10 had 12 teams.

The coexistence criteria is already in there, the change is from having it apply only to wireless PARs to have it apply to all PARs.  The requirement for action after PAR approval is not a new requirement.

For you WG, you would ask if the resulting standard would cause sufficient inteference to other standards that it warranted evaluating the coexistence capability.  While most wired networks would indicate that they are not going to produce a coexistence criteria because the cables are shielded or the emissions from the PCB are low, there may be cases for Ethernet in which analyzing coexistence with other devices operating with other standards nearby may be necessary.

James Gilb

On 03/19/2013 02:00 PM, John D'Ambrosia wrote:
> All,
> I am having a lot of reservations of moving away from the 5 Criteria.
> Simply put the 5 Criteria have brand value - people know what they 
> mean.  It is something that I personally feel is ingrained in our 
> participants, and people outside of the IEEE have some perceived 
> knowledge of them as well.
> I believe the last proposed "Co-existence" criteria text is in 
> EC-13-0009-00.  James, please correct me if I am wrong.  It reads -
> */14.3/**/C/**/o/**/ex/**/i/**/s/**/t/**/e/**/nc/**/e/*
> Statetheplanforaddressingcoexistence.
> a) WilltheWGcreateaCAdocumentaspartoftheWGballotingprocess?(yes/no)
> b) Ifnot,explainwhytheCAdocumentisnot applicable.
> The 5 Criteria are the basis for determining whether to forward a PAR 
> or not.  The text above reads more as a requirement for a PAR that has 
> already been approved, not a criteria.  Furthermore, what does a 
> proposed project have to co-exist with?  I suspect that this is WG 
> specific.  Therefore, I would argue that it should be left to 
> individual WGs to determine this requirement, and the specific WG can 
> then make it part of the specific WG process.
> In its current wording, I have no clue how I would answer this from my 
> specific WG.  Therefore, it would probably get a meaningless NA answer 
> that does nothing to assist the group in determining whether a PAR 
> should be approved.  From my own WG perspective I would also argue 
> that if it could not co-exist then it would impact the broad market 
> potential of the project.
> Therefore, in its current form, I would have to vote against this
> proposal.   Furthermore, I believe that we should really consider the
> brand value of the 5C, and should seek to preserve it.
> John
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