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Re: [802SEC] Interpretation of reciprocal credit "rule"

Hello all,


As I interpret the results of this thread, I see an equal balance (2 each) for “as it is” and “Stephens’s razor”.


That being the case,  I suggest that things be kept as they are (i.e. credited on both visited and home).

We should now address the infelicities of the current operation.


These are at least the following (and there may be others):

1.    Silent credit.   This happens when a single-homed voter (e.g. 802.11 voter only) visits a group with reciprocal credits.  He/she/it gets credit in both the visited group and the home group,  but this fact is well hidden from the user,  resulting in questions and overhead.

2.    Silly promptings.   this happens when a multi-homed voter (e.g. 802.11, 802.15, 802.19) attends their home group.   e.g. when Bruce records attendance in 802.11,  the system forces him to also record attendance in 802.18 or 802.19.


I suggest we describe the problem to Christina et al and ask for them to propose a solution.  What say ye?


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From: Stephens, Adrian P
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:10 PM
Subject: Interpretation of reciprocal credit "rule"


Dear 802 EC,


As mentioned at the EC meeting today,  there is a question of interpretation regarding reciprocal credit.

Although the answer may be buried somewhere in an EC motion or an IEEE-SA staff document before my

time,  I cannot find anything in the rules/OM relating to this.



home group – a group in which a user has voting rights

visited group – a group that a user attends,  which is granted reciprocal credit by the home group


A voter visits a group and records attendance.   The question is simple.

Should the voter get attendance at:

a)      One of the home group and the visited group

b)      Both of the home group and the visited group (current)


And if the voter has multiple home groups should the voter get attendance credit:

a)      One of the home group and visited groups

b)      The visited group and one of the home groups (current)

c)       The visited group and all of the home groups


Current behaviour (modulo a few UI infelicities) is highlighted.

I initially took this to be a bug,  because I laboured under the mistaken assumption that

attendance credit should not multiply unnecessarily.  (Stephens’ razor).



I’d like to get feedback on how you think the system should behave.  Once I get this,  I’ll

document this behaviour,  and if necessary work with Jon to raise a ticket to change it.



Just to help provide rapid feedback,  I have some stock responses prepared below:

a)      I believe the current operation is correct (i.e., visited + 1 home)

b)      I believe single attendance credit is correct (i.e., visited or home)

c)       I don’t do reciprocal credit,  I have no opinion

d)      I don’t care,  I have no opinion



Best Regards,



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